this guy does not like windows 7 very much
windows 7 negative review
Archived thread 1003974 from Windows. Markdown source: Windows/thread_1003974_windows_7_negative_review.md
So? :p
Looks like Microtosh! But honestly, there's still a good deal of time left before debut...around a year.
While not a windows user myself, I've been a long time reader of Paul Thurrott's blog and commentary and found them to be both insightful and objective. And while he's obviously concerned in this particular piece I have to agree with Shwefty that they still have plenty of time to fine tune the final product. I must admit a certain curiosity in what they eventually come up with.
sdowney717 said: this guy does not like windows 7 very much
Doesn't he? From the article:
Now before anyone gets the wrong idea, I'm a huge fan of Windows 7 and I like most of what Microsoft's doing with this product.
I personally like the idea of a simpler Windows. Since I only use Windows to run the odd game, i'd like to have something simple (and hopefully lightweight) to replace XP when it expires in 2014.
Although he has a point he phailed with Intuition
A very interesting read (forget that it is windows and just think computing in general). This line jumps out at me as the major disconnect:
But the system is complex because it's so abstracted from the way people really do think about their content.
The entire reason you use abstraction in any system (computers, automobiles... anything) is so that the system works like a user's brain expects it too. Why would you add abstraction that complicates a system? That makes _no_ sense.
I agree with many of his conclusions. What windows 7 has done with the system tray is just foolish. Fix the problem. End of story.
The libraries seem dumb. I don't understand how they are useful at all. So I can sort my filesystem in multiple ways and have something in more than one place? WHY? Just use a decent desktop search...
Words cannot express how dumb the new taskbar is. I can figure it out, but it is not well distinguished as to what everything does. No excuse for that.
On the bright side... the new quasi-semantic context menus (err... jump lists) do seem like a great idea. I'm ok with the right click, thats a windows standard. Keep using it. The menus seem useful. Bravo microsoft.
Paqman said: Doesn't he? From the article:
I personally like the idea of a simpler Windows. Since I only use Windows to run the odd game, i'd like to have something simple (and hopefully lightweight) to replace XP when it expires in 2014.
The problem comes in trying to balance "simple" with easily accessed functionality. Myself, as a power user, like being able to have lots of info at my finger tips--displayed when I want, otherwise out of the way. Some of the concepts of Win7 I like.
On a "Start Bar" type setup, with lots of windows open--it gets impossible to differentiate one button from another on the Bar---KDE4.2 has what I think is a nice solution to this....but Win7 hiding things from the user in an *_attempt_* to make Win7 more "demo-able" and more marketable is obnoxious.
The Start Bar, like the Win95 Start Menu-were good ideas at the time....but as users have lots of applications, as well as lots of apps and windows being opened--both of those devices become useless. Win Vista addressed the later with the indexed Start Menu--which quite frankly, should have come along much sooner, to my mind.
Screen clutter is bad and annoying. Functionality impossible to access, is obnoxious and drives away users.
I'm not really a Windows user anymore, it gets a rare glimpse of light from me and that's all.
That said I still enjoy reading Winsupersite, and I actually emailed Paul regarding Linux articles - there are a few on there, but the latest is about Ubuntu 6.06.
To my surprise he replied, and said he still keeps one of his machiens up-to-date with the latest Ubuntu release :D
It's an interesting review. No need to mince words in order to be politically correct.
Window 7 is the first Microsoft OS I could be interested in as a dual boot. There are advantages to having both on the computer, so I'm waiting with reserved anticipation as to what the final will look like...
sounds like 'much ado about nothing,' i don't see anything in this review that would tempt me to use a windows machine again. even the reviewer seems disappointed that it seems like windows 7 is a new coat of a paint on the same old car! maybe ms are keeping any revolutionary stuff to themselves at the moment!
Does anyone else hope that the Windows 7 "superbar" is a feature you can turn on and off?
Because I really like the current look of the Windows Vista taskbar. I just like seeing text. The Windows 7 "superbar" doesn't have text on it. It's just icons.
I am expecting dropped features and alternative modes for this one. That will require:
New mode, with Aero Vista mode, with Aero New mode, without Aero Vista mode, without Aero
Because they won't ever release that taskbar as single option in next windows version. This is a trick to get people talking and discussing.
Delever said: I am expecting dropped features and alternative modes for this one. That will require:
New mode, with Aero Vista mode, with Aero New mode, without Aero Vista mode, without Aero
Because they won't ever release that taskbar as single option in next windows version. This is a trick to get people talking and discussing.
Don't forget they also would have to provide a "Classic Theme" mode like the one that Windows Vista and Windows XP already provide.
Giant Speck said: Does anyone else hope that the Windows 7 "superbar" is a feature you can turn on and off?
Because I really like the current look of the Windows Vista taskbar. I just like seeing text. The Windows 7 "superbar" doesn't have text on it. It's just icons.
If you mean the bastardised "dock bar", then i'm afraid it's a permanent feature of Windows 7 :(
It looks awful. If I wanted a dock i'd use OSX!
Giant Speck said: Don't forget they also would have to provide a "Classic Theme" mode like the one that Windows Vista and Windows XP already provide.
Or you could just use Vista.
After implementing the 'Office Ribbon', MS learned that they can force you to learn their way of doing things. Giving you a legacy option will only delay your assimilation to the new way of doing things.
What if the new way they force you to use isn't a good way? Aero is a terrible inconstant interface. Development of Windows UIs is pretty much an anarchy nowadays. I'm not a fan of Mac at all but it does maintain an elegant UI. Heck, GNOME is very consistent in comparison.
cammin said: Or you could just use Vista.
After implementing the 'Office Ribbon', MS learned that they can force you to learn their way of doing things. Giving you a legacy option will only delay your assimilation to the new way of doing things.
I'm talking about the style that makes it look like Windows 2000, not a style that makes it look like Vista. It already looks like Vista, save for the occasional ribbon interface and the new taskbar.
Giant Speck said: I'm talking about the style that makes it look like Windows 2000, not a style that makes it look like Vista. It already looks like Vista, save for the occasional ribbon interface and the new taskbar.
I read they wont be offering that anymore on Windows 7. To force users to get used to the new features.
the yawner said: I read they wont be offering that anymore on Windows 7. To force users to get used to the new features.
That would be a bad move.
Open letter to Microsoft:
Dear Microsfot,
Please include Classic Mode into Windows 7 release OR....
... my dad won't buy it.
Sincerely yours, Microsfot customer
P.S. Sorry for my bad English.
After reading a negative review from an obvious windows hater i feared for this one, but it's actually pretty fair. Basicly he just points out some negative aspects of the Windows 7 interface and it's nothing that can't be worked on til release. Windows 7 is so far away, there's still a lot to improve. The pre-betas and betas are exactly for this, to spot issues and solve them.
Giant Speck said: I just like seeing text. The Windows 7 "superbar" doesn't have text on it. It's just icons.
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Very interesting article, not just about Windows but about computing in general.
I'm definitely going to try to get my hands on the beta version. If I stay on my present career path I will be supporting 7 whether I choose to use it myself or not. I want to be proactive this time. I don't know how much an individual beta tester's input matters, but it will be better than critiquing it when it's too late to affect the design.
MellonCollie said: [IMG]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3207/2987888388_b6098e55e3.jpg[/IMG]
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Oh, SWEET! The only screenshots I've seen have just icons. Thank you!
Cenotaph said: Windows 7 is so far away, there's still a lot to improve. The pre-betas and betas are exactly for this, to spot issues and solve them.
Do you really think they can deliver? Look at Vista and what they had planned for it back when it was longhorn.
cmat said: Do you really think they can deliver? Look at Vista and what they had planned for it back when it was longhorn.
Yes, but unlike the development of Vista, they are showing us things that are definitely going to be in Windows 7. I think they learned with Vista not to promise so much and then not deliver.
It's very rare that I read a tech article online and respect the author. Well done, Paul Thurrott =D>
Giant Speck said: I'm talking about the style that makes it look like Windows 2000, not a style that makes it look like Vista. It already looks like Vista, save for the occasional ribbon interface and the new taskbar.
Vista does that. No need to upgrade.
Giant Speck said: Does anyone else hope that the Windows 7 "superbar" is a feature you can turn on and off?
Because I really like the current look of the Windows Vista taskbar. I just like seeing text. The Windows 7 "superbar" doesn't have text on it. It's just icons.
Not true, if you make it where tasks dont group together, you get the text mode like the old bar.
acelin said: Not true, if you make it where tasks dont group together, you get the text mode like the old bar.
I know. If you read a few posts later, someone showed a screenshot that proved me wrong.
Giant Speck said: I know. If you read a few posts later, someone showed a screenshot that proved me wrong.
Oh I see it now... yeah I hope they make that default, instead of the current icon things.
sdowney717 said: this guy does not like windows 7 very much
Who cares? I don't use Windows, so why should I be interested in Win7?
They should concentrate on fixing all the major security flaws etc in vista before all this silly ripping kde off thing. Then once they've done that they can stop trying to take all the control from the user. Then after that they can focus on improving their support. Then after that they can add all those wonderfully innovative things that just complicate things and the users use of the computer.
Skripka said: The Start Bar, like the Win95 Start Menu-were good ideas at the time....but as users have lots of applications, as well as lots of apps and windows being opened--both of those devices become useless. Win Vista addressed the later with the indexed Start Menu--which quite frankly, should have come along much sooner, to my mind.
I agree. Open Source community can learn a lot from this. Microsoft is not bad doing UI's, in fact, they are pretty good, but they want to squeeze every cent they invest on development, and new features and updates come slow and "piece by piece", and sometimes they feel almost anachronistic and unfinished just because of this.