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What do you say?
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[COLOR="Red"]UPDATE: I'm now running Jaunty, and xorg has severe graphical artifacts my intel video card that render the system unusable. Bravo ubuntu devs! keep celebrating failure.[/COLOR]
Personally, I don't follow the progess of Ubuntu enough to notice.
I have heard many people say that Ubuntu is getting heavier and more bloated as time progresses, but at the same time, hardware is progressing as well.
I guess I don't have too much of a say since I jumped on board with ubuntu on Hardy Heron. I originally became interested in Ubuntu at 6.06 but it was impossible to get it to work with my network adapter at that time. Anyway, when I upgraded to Intrepid, half of the things worked better out of the box than Hardy, the other half worked worse right away and for quite a while I was tempted to roll back, however I sorted them out and I'm happier with Intrepid now. It just sucks that gnome panels seems a little less flexible than in Hardy. What kind of update is that..
I heard Jaunty was getting rid of the Ctrl-Alt-Backspace key combo. Kind of a retarded decision IMO.
I dont think so personally. When I first looked at ubuntu, it was 7.10 I didnt install it because, quite frankly, it was ugly. 8.10's new colors made me change my mind lol
I heard that, in Jaunty, to save on bloat, those super cow powers are going bye-bye. And not only that, but to save space on the servers, they're pulling all the zeros out of their ISOs.
Yeah, it's really starting to get bad over at Canonical these days.
It does get heavier with each release, but so does everything else. Also Ubuntu gets better with each release but its best to wait a bit after release for all the bugs to be fixed.
It seems like the initial releases are always buggy, then as they get fixed they are stable. Like Hardy which I just upgraded to, when it was released, there were tons of complaints about bugs but now its very stable.
jrusso2 said: It does get heavier with each release, but so does everything else. Also Ubuntu gets better with each release but its best to wait a bit after release for all the bugs to be fixed.
It seems like the initial releases are always buggy, then as they get fixed they are stable. Like Hardy which I just upgraded to, when it was released, there were tons of complaints about bugs but now its very stable.
Why not extend the development timespan then? Not necessarily as long as Debian, maybe they can add 2 more months.
verb3k said: Why not extend the development timespan then? Not necessarily as long as Debian, maybe they can add 2 more months.
This suggestion has been made many times and ignored.
no, I think there are little improvements in each release. sure, some things break, but are fixed soon aferwards. definately keeping an eye for future releases.
With the exception of 8.10, which is really buggy and won't even install on my system (and a whole lotta other systems), I say it continues to improve. I've been using it for a couple of years now. I tried Kubuntu 8.10 briefly, but switched back. It's buggy too, but at least it ran. I did like the new KDE4 and a few other things. Hated the k-forum support; a few bad apples spoiled it for me.
There's a poll for install problems w/8.10 with some sobering numbers: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...+problems+ibex
verb3k said: What do you say?
no, it's just not getting better as fast as it used to
(if that makes any sense)
i spent most of hardy using arch. ibex has been good so far. it's the first time since feisty, i think, that i didn't have to edit my xorg.conf to include my widescreen resolution.
No I don't think it is getting worse. Its reached the point where it has become very difficult to implement radical new features as most of them that users have asked for has been implemented already.
I think posts on this forum are getting worse with every release. #-o
It is not getting worse. But users' expectations are going higher than the development.:popcorn:
It's getting shinier, so it must be getting better. I'm not sure since I haven't really used Ubuntu since Gutsy Gibbon.
jeyaganesh said: It is not getting worse. But users' expectations are going higher than the development.:popcorn:
My video card was working perfectly in Feisty and Gutsy, but never worked in Hardy and Intrepid. Do you call this expectations going higher than development or development that can't stand on its feet?
I took it for granted that my card will always work fine once it worked with Gutsy, but it turned out that Shuttleworth is playing some card games with his employees.
nope.
I reckon it's going from strength to strength. I think Intrepid is just about the best Ubuntu I've used so far. I absolutely love it.Sorry if that sounds a bit fanboyish, but that's about the measure of how I feel about it. I've installed it on both my desktop and our Dell laptop, and also installed EEEBuntu (which is based on Intrepid) on the Eee PC we got for the youngest for Christmas. It really is the best Eee distro there is imho. I honestly could not possibly be happier with my choice of OS on all counts.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all involved in bringing us this tremendous distro!
I think it's getting better with every release.
Tabbed Nautilus at last.... :)
I havnt used Ibex since the week of release, I tried it, and was very un happy , so i decided to try out arch, and now i triple boot, arch, hardy, and tinycore
gn2 said: I think it's getting better with every release.
Tabbed Nautilus at last.... :)
i'm not sure tabs, or a lack of them in nautilus has much to do with ubuntu, other than what's incuded in a releases repos.
I haven't tried ibex, but compared to Hardy it looks bloated, in my opinion. But hey, i've always hated gadgets and widgets and whatnot.
Merry christmas all! :KS
I have used many a distro over the years, and I have to say that none of have have developed as quickly as Ubuntu and none of them have picked up mind share or a user base as quickly as Ubuntu has. And the momentum continues to grow, redhat had good following initially, but then they went public and the momentum and good will seem to dissipate -- Ubuntu has not betrayed the trust and from the looks of it, they are not going to.
verb3k said: Shuttleworth is playing some card games with his employees.This is almost signature-grade material, keep it coming! :D
really don't think so.:lolflag:
verb3k said: My video card was working perfectly in Feisty and Gutsy, but never worked in Hardy and Intrepid. Do you call this expectations going higher than development or development that can't stand on its feet?
I took it for granted that my card will always work fine once it worked with Gutsy, but it turned out that Shuttleworth is playing some card games with his employees.
That was lucky, you almost lost your cool there...
I just finally installed Intrepid with a clean install. I've been using since Breezy, and this is definitely the best release I've seen by far. It was pretty painless to set up. I can't say that for some of the past releases.
And this is the first time I've been able to get the nvidia proprietary drivers working easily for my geforce 8600 with the Hardware Drivers manager. It just worked. In the past, it's been a major pain.
Only problem I have is the terrible NVidia drivers available for Intrepid (I can no longer enable desktop effects using OpenGL, I can only get very buggy XRender), I guess I can't blame Ubuntu for that though
There was some test done that showed that Ubuntu was slowing down since 7.04. So yes in that respect it is getting worse.
chucky chuckaluck said: i'm not sure tabs, or a lack of them in nautilus has much to do with ubuntu, other than what's incuded in a releases repos.
I see it differently, 8.10 has tabs in Nautilus ergo it's better than 8.04 which doesn't. Where the tabs come from or how they got there is really irrelevant to me as an end-user.
I think Ubuntu is getting better with every release. Sure, it's slowing down slightly, but it's also getting much easier to use.
I can understand how the following decisions may make people feel like it's getting worse:
In the end, partitioning a drive is much easier, hardware get's detected automatically, and things "just work." So, I think Ubuntu is getting better. I definitely don't think it's getting worse.
verb3k said: What do you say?
(Message to the moderators: I am not trying to bash ubuntu, I just want to know what people think on this subject.)
It gets better every release for most people.
Thelasko said: I think Ubuntu is getting better with every release. Sure, it's slowing down slightly, but it's also getting much easier to use.
I can understand how the following decisions may make people feel like it's getting worse:
In the end, partitioning a drive is much easier, hardware get's detected automatically, and things "just work." So, I think Ubuntu is getting better. I definitely don't think it's getting worse.
The main reason it gets slower is most likely the new Gnome version that comes with every single new Ubuntu release.
Each gnome version is better than the previous one, but might be a bit slower on older hardware.
I definitely like Intrepid better than Hardy.. recognized all my laptop's hardware immediately. I have a few weird bugs with headphones and the ever-present ACPI bios bug, but all in all, much better.
Keep up the work, Canonical, and just say no to regression in updates! :P
bigsilly said: i reckon it's going from strength to strength. I think intrepid is just about the best ubuntu i've used so far. I absolutely love it.sorry if that sounds a bit fanboyish, but that's about the measure of how i feel about it. I've installed it on both my desktop and our dell laptop, and also installed eeebuntu (which is based on intrepid) on the eee pc we got for the youngest for christmas. It really is the best eee distro there is imho. I honestly could not possibly be happier with my choice of os on all counts.
Merry christmas and a happy new year to all involved in bringing us this tremendous distro!
+1
Overall, I'd say Ubuntu is getting better. I just think the last two releases (8.x) have been really bad. I think the general trend before those releases has been positive though.
8.04 was WAY too early to start using PulseAudio. Sound was a major issue with it. 8.10 continued to have PulseAudio issues as well as some kernel issues. I've never used Kubuntu, but I hear it's been neglected.
Intrepid is the best version in the last three for me on my hardware. Two P-3 866 MHZ with 256 megs of ram and on my P-4 3.0 GHZ with 512 megs of ram it really flys.
My $0.02 worth, Kelean.
I personally think it is getting better with every release in spite of the slowing, and bloating. Also with 8.10 (prehaps with Hardy too i didn't check) when you set effects to none, it essential switches the display from compiz to that meta... something or another. I noticed that when checking stats when having effects set to none.
Darkhack said: Overall, I'd say Ubuntu is getting better. I just think the last two releases (8.x) have been really bad. I think the general trend before those releases has been positive though.
8.04 was WAY too early to start using PulseAudio. Sound was a major issue with it. 8.10 continued to have PulseAudio issues as well as some kernel issues. I've never used Kubuntu, but I hear it's been neglected.
Is not Kubuntu really just Ubuntu with a KDE interface? KDE is greatly improved (and prettier), but options still seem restricted compared to Gnome. It is more stable then its previous version.. but of course still has more issues then gnome i'd say.
I compared 8.10 with the others in detail, I see only small tweaks, I really don't see anything to say it going bad.
Now take this with a grain of salt, the first Linux distro i stuck with was Gutsy. (I have tried Knoppix and Mandriva a few years ago but they weren't nearly as polished as things are now.)
When i tried Gutsy i liked it very much but it seemed buggy. When Hardy came out, i was somewhat dissapointed because i didn't get much more stable although after about a month when i updated, it got much better. Now im on my laptop and i had quite a few hardware issues in Hardy. After going to Interpid, most of my hardware problems got better and my system was very stable, but it did seem to be slowing down somewhat.
While i do agree it is getting somewhat slower, the overall experience has been improving. I look forward to many years of using Ubuntu as my main OS.
Oh and i have high expectations for Jaunty as far as speed goes. I hope they can give us a little speed boost. :)
Well if the rumors I hear about Jaunty become true... I will never use Ubuntu again...(or atleast as a main...)
Reasoning is simple, I have been around since gusty and maybe a little earlier(started with PClinuxOS so... yeah) so I have gotten use to such commands like cntrl alt backspace,having p7zip installed by default and other things.
if they take all of this out I know I would spend a whole day tweaking my system to my liking :/.
When I could use Linux Mint Or go back to PClinuxOS and be happy.
Really ever since 8.04 it has been getting slower and buggier :/.(for me that is)
Twitch6000 said: Well if the rumors I hear about Jaunty become true... I will never use Ubuntu again...(or atlast as a main...)
Reasoning is simple, I have been around since gusty and maybe a little earlier(started with PClinuxOS so... yeah) so I have gotten use to such commands like cntrl alt backspace,having p7zip installed by default and other things.
if they take all of this out I know I would spend a whole day tweaking my system to my liking :/.
When I could use Linux Mint Or go back to PClinuxOS and be happy.
Really ever since 8.04 it has been getting slower and buggier :/.(for me that is)
I am starting to realize that Debian is a perfect choice.
I thinks it's getting better and I've only been here since hardy. Unlike other members, I've never had any problems other than those caused by myself, (uninstalled hal my first week) or just a simple lack of knowledge.
I just install and everything works, and i use 64bit. never had to edit xorg or had show stopping compiz or pulseaudio problems. I think i have good install mojo. Ialso have an onboard nvidia chipset so i can't speak for graphics card problems....
I personally loved the feisty fawn,Lots of new features,auto codec search etc etc and the maturity of playing all multimedia formats on a 64 bit.
I also found it the lightest of the lot, loading times and just the overall feel of it.
Kept my hard drive quiet most of the time .
verb3k said: I am starting to realize that Debian is a perfect choice.I couldn't agree more here.
Good article on that: http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2008/12/30/let-me-tell-you-about-the-good-old-days/
Feisty was worse than Dapper, and I do think the six-month release cycle is too accelerated (must be based on commercial / marketing reasoning) but it's definitely not getting worse overall with each release. But I'd like to see a 9 month release schedule, with more thorough testing. Just me.
Well, I got my first Ubuntu release right when I joined here. i installed, erased my vista, and was utterly confused, frustrated, and excited for the next few hours, then I plugged in my Ethernet, and KAAZAAM! I was online, and I immediately created an account here to straighten things up. they definitely need to put the link to the Ubuntu forums on the download page... Well, back to topic, I really don't know, but I was WAY happier with Intrepid than Hardy. The default theme made me want to ditch Ubuntu, and not come back. Although, I am using Jaunty, (I am typing on it right now:D) and I don't see any huge differences, other than my graphics driver wont be detected. We will see... (NOOOOOOOOOO! Crtl-Alt-Backspace... GONE!#-o:-({|=:-({|=](*,):( *WEEP* *WEEP* *cries eyes out*
My first ubuntu release was breezy (thats 5.10, i think), and I started because I inherited a very old laptop that wouldn't run windows. I used it for a while, but didn't have enough ram, and left it. I tried again with dapper, and have been using ever since. I think it has gone from strength to strength - I remember when it took me a whole week to get my laptop all set up: admittedly I knew little about linux, and had to do a lot of asking questions, but trying to battle with ndiswrapper and wireless updates was a nightmare. I missed out gutsy, using archlinux for over a year, but its got to the stage where the updates come so regularly that stuff breaks all the time. I came back to ubuntu for intrepid, using the alt-disc to install a cli system, and adding stuff i need on top of it. It was a little tricky since i didn't know offhand which packages i need. After doing the wifi setup though, everything else was a breeze. My card still needs firmware ripping (b43), but once that's done, it does "just work". I'll be sticking around. I didn't realise xorg.conf was deprecated, but that's where i did all my setup. If you want less bloat and more control, go for the cli install. Just be prepared to use elinks to google for help a few times...
Oh, and I hear in jaunty, there's cake. Maybe they're just tricking us...
I had been using ubuntu as my main desktop since warty (my first non windows os), but recently i switched to opensolaris and really like the advanced features and the way they setup gnome. I dont think ubuntu has gotten worse at all, maybe i needed a change or i just dont like gnu/linux anymore, over the past 2 years i have tended to like bsd/solaris on a feature/style/license front so maybe.
Comparing the effort it took to get Ubuntu 8.10 working as I like it to the effort it took to get 5.04 to the same place (actually, I wasn't able to get 5.04 working as well as 8.10), I can say wholeheartedly that no, the trend has been to get better. Every release has its regressions and "WTF"-ey changes but the list of those that impact me seems to be getting smaller with every release. Now if only Pulseaudio didn't crash so often and I could get WXGA resolution without needing the proprietary NVIDIA X driver (oh, and if flash didn't suck, but let's not wish for the moon here) I'd be happy as a clam.
You don't want to *know* the crap I used to have to go through to get mp3 playback...
No, but on my parents' laptop (HP dv9008nr), 8.10 didn't work with the Nvidia driver at all (when I tried it last, after it just came out). I tried regular way (including older drivers), manually installing them, and envy, and nothing worked. I just got finished setting up a Xubuntu 8.04 LTS installation and everything works perfectly, even the Broadcom Wifi with the new STA Broadcom Driver, and suspending always works now too. I'm not gonna upgrade it until the next LTS (10.04 probably) comes out, to avoid breakage. In my experience, upgrading often breaks things, but clean installs of new versions are usually better. Arch's rolling release is the best though IMO.
Read this:
Ubuntu has also received negative assessments. Ars Technica reviewed the initial release of Ubuntu 8.04 and concluded that while it was a clear improvement over Ubuntu 7.10, some flaws significantly detracted from the quality of the user experience.[68] Specifically, Ars Technica felt that Transmission (a BitTorrent client) was too simple for BitTorrent power users, that the default search system Tracker was inferior to Beagle and that the PulseAudio configuration that shipped was buggy[68] (a view shared by Pulseaudio creator Lennart Poettering, who states, "Ubuntu didn't exactly do a stellar job [adopting PulseAudio]. They didn't do their homework"[69]). PC World criticized the lack of an integrated desktop effects manager, although this did not prevent them from naming Ubuntu the "best all-around Linux distribution available today".[70] ChannelWeb criticized the Wubi installer in 8.04, noting that it hung after the installation was complete.[71] ChannelWeb also noted that while they were able to connect to Microsoft Active Directories, the process was not seamless.[71] In their preview of Ubuntu 8.04 InfoWorld stated that they felt Brasero's CD/DVD burning was lackluster as compared to similar pay-to-use programs available for Windows or Mac OS X.[72]
To me, the answer is clearly no. Ubuntu has always been running perfectly for me, and if something in Ubuntu's defaults doesn't suit me, I change it myself and tweak it so it meets my needs. Call me an elitist if you want, but that's what Linux is all about.
I've been using Ubuntu since 4.10, every release just keeps getting better and better. Intrepid is the best yet, and as far as it goes I think the best is yet to come.
I'm two way about this because Hardy kinda worked, LTS sucked, Intrepid topped em both and jaunty (alpha 2) is (for me) the most stable. I guess it depends on you machine but it goes up and down.
But...think of it this way: it would be a million times easier to make warty stable because it has n features as apposed to jaunty.
joshmuffin said: jaunty (alpha 2) is (for me) the most stable.
Guess I'll upgrade to jaunty a bit earlier than I normally do, then. :p I usually upgrade two months before the release.
For me intrepid is the best release until now. I've got no hardware issues anymore. The rep. wine version works well with the win32 apps. I want to keep ( so I don't have to boot into xp too much ), is not really intrepid related of course. It'spretty fast, with the same feel as such as xp, and it's the first release that I've made ubuntu my real main OS. Hardy, the LTS, was less stable though..
Its getting better!
I have tried Ubuntu since 6.10 and always went back to Windows after finding out that things doesnt work like they should, and I got tired of spending hours and hours googling for solutions to things that should work out of the box.
With Ubuntu 8.10, Im happy with everything. It all works, and its starting to become possible to make it look really good too. The 3D effects are great and actually very useful for switching windows in a nice looking way. Im running Ununtu as my main system now and havent booted into Windows for more than a month.
Also there seems to be a good enough application for all of my needs now.
So overall, I think Ubuntu is fantastic and Im looking forward to the 9.04 version.
I use Ubuntu since Warty too and I too find this distro getting better and better with every release. Currently looking forward for better netbook support BTW:)
starcannon said: I've been using Ubuntu since 4.10, every release just keeps getting better and better. Intrepid is the best yet, and as far as it goes I think the best is yet to come.
I have modern hardware and Hardy runs well.
I think that newer releases bring functionality and software resources to a growing Linux community.
Unfortunately the quality seems to be deteriorating. Intrepid seems quite a bit slower than Hardy. I also seem to be running into "dependency hell" which was never a problem in previous versions. I might just go back to Hardy, it gave me fewer problems.
All-in-all, it's still better than Windows.
jmail524 said: Unfortunately the quality seems to be deteriorating. Intrepid seems quite a bit slower than Hardy. I also seem to be running into "dependency hell" which was never a problem in previous versions. I might just go back to Hardy, it gave me fewer problems.
Hey, that's the beauty of a Long-Term Support release. ^.^
Intrepid is better than Hardy IMO. When I had Hardy I forever had some issue. With Intrepid, the issues have diminished.
it's getting heavier, but it's also getting better. been using since warty and i find it's a lot better at configuring itself than it was. i'm impressed enough actually, that i made the house microsoft-free about eight months ago and haven't looked back! :D
I'd say worse, because every single upgrade (since Warty or so) has broken important functions for me, on every machine. There have been reams of buggy alpha software in core roles: NetworkManager, Compiz and now maybe pulse audio. Every upgrade has screwed up some aspect of X, often font display. I'm always surprised by radical overhauls of aspects of linux I've used for years, rarely with any notification "After this upgrade there'll be a new network interface called...". I've had sound drivers stop working, X fail to start after upgrades (and one infamous update), my home wireless broke moving to Hardy.
This doesn't mean Ubuntu is getting worse, maybe bits are getting better, but I couldn't care less about the exciting new whatever-feature if programs I use everyday stop functioning.
Many problems are not Ubuntu's fault, but upstream: pidgin/gaim has sucked every upgrade, I abandoned Evolution after a few years, I now use mpd/mpc for music because everything else I've tried just keeps getting worse, various "..blah.. stopped working" issues have been due to kernel driver bugs. All not Ubuntu's fault, but the messenger blamed is update manager.
I now dread upgrades, I delay until the support period is expiring in the hope that the bugs have been fixed (to no avail). I've been conditioned against upgrading. Now, I'm staying with LTS until I get new hardware. Then I'll have separate partitions so that I can gradually find the bug fixes and only move real work once everything's resolved. I'll also try other distros, maybe OSes.
After a colleague spend hours getting bluetooth working on Ubuntu, an upgrade broke it. He bought a Mac, liked it, and now the office is half Apples. These are machine moving away from Ubuntu, not Windows. I have a Mac on my desk, as yet unused... They're paying inflated prices for "just works".
So "Just Work"!
Upgrades should not break stuff!
verb3k said: My video card was working perfectly in Feisty and Gutsy, but never worked in Hardy and Intrepid. Do you call this expectations going higher than development or development that can't stand on its feet?
I took it for granted that my card will always work fine once it worked with Gutsy, but it turned out that Shuttleworth is playing some card games with his employees.
Did you ever get it to work? I hope when I upgrade from Feisty I do not have the same problem.
It's very likely that there's some factor that I'm ignoring, but my Ubuntu boxes have gotten progressively slower and more unstable with every release since 7.04.
it's your hardware. i have 14 customers and friends that use it with no problems. i doubt that's pure luck. every version of ubuntu has worked perfectly for me on 4 different computers. maybe it's time for a new computer.
wolfen69 said: it's your hardware. i have 14 customers and friends that use it with no problems. i doubt that's pure luck. every version of ubuntu has worked perfectly for me on 4 different computers. maybe it's time for a new computer.
At one point I was running Ubuntu on 7 different computers, all of them progressively flopped on exactly the same curve. If it is my hardware, maybe it's time for me to play the lottery.
bashveank said: At one point I was running Ubuntu on 7 different computers, all of them progressively flopped on exactly the same curve. If it is my hardware, maybe it's time for me to play the lottery.
Then you must be doing something wrong, I'm still running Hardy and have never reinstalled. If anything, it would say updates have made it faster.
Thelasko said: Then you must be doing something wrong, I'm still running Hardy and have never reinstalled. If anything, it would say updates have made it faster.
Like I said, I hope there's something I'm missing, but I sure don't know what.
Thelasko said: Then you must be doing something wrong, I'm still running Hardy and have never reinstalled. If anything, it would say updates have made it faster.
i agree. ubuntu runs better and better for me and everyone i know.
bashveank said: At one point I was running Ubuntu on 7 different computers, all of them progressively flopped on exactly the same curve. If it is my hardware, maybe it's time for me to play the lottery.
that's bad luck, not good. you'd be lucky to hit one number in the lottery. :o
I wouldn'y necessarily say it's getting worse, just more bloated. It started to go downwards after the release of 7.10 and Ubuntu's partnerhsip with Dell, IMHO.
Kinda takes the fun outta the whole thing, if you know what I mean....
I don't know about ubuntu but kubuntu is much better now kde 4.2 has arrived but I'mon arch now
wolfen69 said: it's your hardware. i have 14 customers and friends that use it with no problems. i doubt that's pure luck. every version of ubuntu has worked perfectly for me on 4 different computers. maybe it's time for a new computer.
And I doubt they use it for anything except web browsing and e-mail exchange.
If use ubuntu this way you will have little trouble, but it's when you turn your face to the desktop and its applications that "problems" start to show up.
izizzle said: I wouldn'y necessarily say it's getting worse, just more bloated. It started to go downwards after the release of 7.10 and Ubuntu's partnerhsip with Dell, IMHO.
Kinda takes the fun outta the whole thing, if you know what I mean....
I have had very little problems with my Kubuntu and my machine is a Dell 1525n preinstalled with 7.10. I upgraded five days after I got my machine as 8.04 came out that day. Did not go to 8.10 because of 4.x KDE but may go to 9.04. I do agree it is becoming bloated but I think all of the linux distros are suffering the same fate. It is because they think people want it to act like windoze. To do that they first have to massively downgrade Ubuntu, make it execute viruses,make you have reload your printer drivers everytime you print, and make it crash alot!
I do think it's getting better, with a complete miss at times, which is just my opinion. Tried and decided to skip 8.10, running on 8.04 as main OS, with 9.04 just for fun. Must say 9.04 looks promising, I like it, apart from PA. They shouldn't force these things if it's not ready for day to day use.
UBUNTU is getting better all the time. It is easier to install and covers more hardware. installed 8.10 on Compaq CQ50-115NR using WUBI. the only problem was I needed to use third party software installer for video driver. otherwise works super.:p
I'm now running Jaunty, and xorg has severe graphical artifacts my intel video card that render the system unusable. Bravo ubuntu devs! keep celebrating failure.
I think Ubuntu is progressing nicely, there is so many different hardware configuration that it is difficult to support every one of them. May be the development cycles should be modified so the X.04 release will remain a beta in progress until the X.10 official release...Just a thought.
verb3k said: What do you say?
(Message to the moderators: I am not trying to bash ubuntu, I just want to know what people think on this subject.)
[COLOR="Red"]UPDATE: I'm now running Jaunty, and xorg has severe graphical artifacts my intel video card that render the system unusable. Bravo ubuntu devs! keep celebrating failure.[/COLOR]
I'd get banned for responding the way your attitudes warrants.
verb3k said: What do you say?
(Message to the moderators: I am not trying to bash ubuntu, I just want to know what people think on this subject.)
[COLOR="Red"]UPDATE: I'm now running Jaunty, and xorg has severe graphical artifacts my intel video card that render the system unusable. Bravo ubuntu devs! keep celebrating failure.[/COLOR]
Bravo to you for being ignorant-and-proud.
Closing thread as this has moved from an attempt at being productive into biased and unreserved bashing.