Opinion on Ubuntu vs. Vista

I'm thinking of installing a OS in a couple of days to this pc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s06EegGW5sQ

I don't know what to install or to install both, I want to do it completely legal. No cracks or anything like that, in 64-bit of course. Any opinions? Also there are a couple of downs and up in those both OS for me, this is some of my thoughs.

Ubuntu is pretty cool, i used it before but i think is useless in Society, good to know though. Vista/XP Micr.Sft.Corp. I guess it's the basic way of life, everywhere is used. Also it's the basic foundation of college, visual basic, M. S. Office, etc.

One important thing is a stable PC, that's what i really want, i don't like to be changing stuff everyday. Ex. Background layouts, 3d. etc. Also I DO CODING A LOT!! COLLEGE STUDENT! It's fun doing coding, but sometimes you get frustrated !

Any opinion would be considerated.

Hi Com

I recently converted my entire office over to Ubuntu! Except for two machines than require XP-Pro to handle the hardware affixed to them.

I really had no alternatives!

XP won't be supported much longer, and the Ultimate Spyware OS called Vista is not even considered as an option, we consider it Malware of the worst kind!

As I replace front office equipment, it WILL be compatible with Linux, namely Ubuntu, or we won't buy it! Simple as that!

But trying to compare Vista with Ubuntu would be like trying to compare Hitler with Abraham Lincoln. There is NO comparison!

TTUL Gary

Vista is based on the idea of "look like our competitors and do our own thing anyway" it doesn't work. go ubuntu.

Ubuntu is better than vista, because it runs faster with less ram. It can do about whatever you are using on XP, I use googledocs and openoffice and gmail and google earth and skype,firefox, fspot and gimp. I saved myself some trouble and installed Kiwilinux which is Ubuntu+little bits that usually require some download or action by me. Windows is still vulnerable and you still pay an extra $80 for it. Personally I still love my Apple macs for the things that are fun to do. I got a super deal on a mac mini and I love it also. I made a movie of snow falling in this little town in about 45 minutes and put music to it and made it a Christmas card stuffer CD Quicktime movie.

I would say dual boot them for a few reasons: -Vista is more society friendly as most average computer users use windows -But Vista is very hardware dependant and takes a lot to run -Vista will run most programs, games, etc. -Ubuntu is sleek, easy to run and install, runs smoothly and is not as hardware dependant as vista is -Ubuntu is also very programmer friendly and is extremely helpful if you are into programming

therefore it would be nice to have vista for your average needs and Ubuntu for programming ;)

just my input, i have a dual boot of vista 64bit and Ubuntu 8.10 on my pc right now and runs smooth!

Kellemora said: Hi Com

I recently converted my entire office over to Ubuntu! Except for two machines than require XP-Pro to handle the hardware affixed to them.

I really had no alternatives!

XP won't be supported much longer, and the Ultimate Spyware OS called Vista is not even considered as an option, we consider it Malware of the worst kind!

As I replace front office equipment, it WILL be compatible with Linux, namely Ubuntu, or we won't buy it! Simple as that!

But trying to compare Vista with Ubuntu would be like trying to compare Hitler with Abraham Lincoln. There is NO comparison!

TTUL Gary

Have you even tried vista? -.-

Anywho go ahead and try or dual boot the 64-bit version if you need 64 bit support otherwise if you have 4GB of ram or less then go ahead and just use the normal 32 bit. Idk about the spyware part of vista i haven't seen any real evidence of that but its far more secure then XP is. (Somewhat annoying at times, but meh.) And I've notice that Vista can recover the display driver when it fails. I play WoW and there have been anumber of times when my display driver died on me and Vista reovered it. Had i been running XP or Ubuntu it would of stayed dead. Also Vista is about as customizable as XP and although i haven't had any problems in terms of compability issues I hear some people can't get some plug in devices, printers, scanners, cameras, etc to work. Just try it is all i can say. Choosing a OS is like choosing a religion. The right one is the one that is right for the individual.

com520 said:

Ubuntu is pretty cool, i used it before but i think is useless in Society, good to know though. Vista/XP Micr.Sft.Corp. I guess it's the basic way of life, everywhere is used. Also it's the basic foundation of college, visual basic, M. S. Office, etc.

Ubuntu 'useless in society'? Vista/XP Micr.Sft.Corp. 'the basic way of life'? I see you've already made up your mind :)

If you really feel that way, just install Vista/XP and be done with it. Use whatever works for you. An OS is a tool to get your stuff done. If you don't mind acquiescing to MS' EULA in exchange for the opportunity to pay for their latest piece of bloatware, hey, it's your PC(and your sanity), go right ahead. But be sure to pay for MS Office(please don't use pirated versions, student versions are fairly cheap nowadays) and use an antivirus suite as well.

Just 2 things though: 1) Don't go for XP 64 bit till you can get all the drivers and 64 bit apps you'll need. Driver support for XP 64 bit is sketchy and some apps don't run so well on it, especially essential stuff like antivirus. Support for Vista 64 bit isn't too great but it's probably better than XP64. 2) Maybe you'd like to consider waiting for Windows 7, which is basically a warmed over version of Vista, but with fewer bugs(in short, it's what Vista ought to have been two years ago). It's not really much faster or less resource hungry than Vista, but it's been designed to feel that way.

One important thing is a stable PC, that's what i really want, i don't like to be changing stuff everyday. Ex. Background layouts, 3d. etc. Also I DO CODING A LOT!! COLLEGE STUDENT!

It's fun doing coding, but sometimes you get frustrated !

A stable PC is what I didn't get with Vista a year and a half back, but hopefully you'll have better luck. And just for the record, you don't *have* to change the 'stuff' everyday if you don't want to. Some people might just enjoy the ability(and freedom) to do so. If you choose your hardware config when building/buying your PC, you can just pop in the LiveCD, install Ubuntu and be done with it. No coding, tweaking, working around problems. Even with most currently available preconfigured PCs/laptops, Ubuntu works like a charm out of the box. So I really feel that's a lame excuse to prop up in favor of Vista.

In the end though, it's your decision, use whatever OS fulfills your needs. Wishing you luck with whatever you choose. :lolflag:

As a new convert to Linux I understand I haven't seen many of the problems associated with Linux, but I have been using Windows for a long time, and Vista is pretty much proof of that famous quote: "Put a pig in a dress, it's still a pig." Ubuntu has been a far superior experience.

Personally, if I was having that much of a problem deciding on what OS to use, I would just use both (unless you still have yet to buy Vista...save your money).

I'm a college student too, and I haven't come across any difficulties using Linux in a Window$ world (*knocks on wood*).

I love the look, feel, and functionality of Ubuntu

but keep Vista around for games

Both. You never know when you are going to need windows, and you said you were coding, so you might want Visual studio. Keep Ubuntu, just in case you want to learn more about computers. Also, if you want a stable system, i would make sure that you are doing it when you least need your computer, because anything can go wrong.

Install Ubuntu and use Wine or VMWare Server if you still need to access windows. Keeps everything nice and tidy.

My suggestion would be to dual boot. There are fine things that both can do, and as far as surfing the net, you can't get much safer than Linux. I dual boot on both of my machines (laptop and desktop), mainly because I have software that I just can't do without that just isn't supported in Linux (damn little, though!). but I do most of my everyday using Ubuntu.

BTW: I'm green with jealousy over your new computer! I've wanted for a while now to build another bleeding edge desktop. The one I have now was bleeding edge when I built it, but that was 2 years ago, and you know how that goes! It's adequate, but...

:-({|=

BTW2: You do know that there are several IDEs and compilers that run under Linux, right? Gambas for Visual Basic, Anjuta for Visual C++, and others.

Ubuntu is pretty cool, i used it before but i think is useless in Society, good to know though.

You would be surprised how much the of worlds network infrastructure runs on Linux, not to mention its infiltration in devices. Google is running 10s of thousands of Linux servers, NASA Goddard, NSA and DOD to name a few.

"useless" -- you are misinformed.

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Every OS has advantages and disadvantages so choose the one that fits your needs. Ubuntu (Linux) is not a drop in replacement for Vista.

Otherwise please keep this thread on topic.

i an interview with an officer at MS ( maximumpc.com ) Vista has been labled as a failure. The only reason for vista would be for the directx10 driver and games. the product is bloatware plain and simple.. i know for a fact that US Gov't contractor and Gov't itself would order laptops only to have them striped of preinstalled vista and instal XP pro.

AS for liux the sky is the limit. My brother-in-outlaw is a research PHd in astro-phyisics and use apple's & linux to do the computation and compling the massive amounts of data each hour during an experiment. Several smaller Gov't in Europe and the former USSR use linux exculsively they do not want to beholden to Gates and company. is it useless in soceity i would think again on that statement. computer parts are very cheap and a robust OS brings every one into the fold. for good and evil. support for the kernel is growing one person at a time.

my suggestion to you Dual boot but with to different HDD. i have had to many issues with the grub and windows boot loaders and have yet to find a GUI that works.

Hell, if you have to ask the question then i'd say neither. If you want usability then you need to go winxp pro. its as stable as windows gets and it supports pretty much everything. Ubuntu is my main OS but I am just nuts.

Ubuntu is still finding itself and seems to break itself without notice, however its free and fun to play with.

Vista is just gay, you heard me...gay. gay gay gay.

WinXP Pro is the way to go, years of patches and fixes so it is much more stable than vista but not as cool to play with as ubuntu. Supports 99% of the software you need.

:guitar:

Vista is slow and bloated. I never use windows except for specialised programs needed for study. Outside of study, there is nothing I can do on windows that I can't do in linux. Ubuntu is faster, sleeker and despite the opinion of some, it is quite easy to learn the basic functions, the only advantage windows has is if you are a heavy gamer; even then WINE will play a number of native windows games. The previous post has a point that xp is pretty stable after years of patches, but I maintain, other than for specialised programs ubuntu works just as well and in many cases, better than windows.

asking for opinions won't get you any further. you'll only start a flame war, one of the many. see for yourself, if you don't have a Vista original CD try it on a friend's PC. as for Ubuntu, just download and run the LiveCD

Vista needs running antivirus that eats ram, running anti spyware that eats ram, daily anti virus scans that slow the computer down daily anti spyware scans that slow the computer down, running of protective antiscript running program like teatime to protect your computer from malware that also eats ram, registry cleaning that also slows the computer down when run.

Ubuntu needs none of this and for the single windows program that I run I use virtualbox and tinyxp.

Vista is rip. at my house and business.

I don't have Vista at all(never installed),i use Kubuntu for everything.Heck,it's full 64 bit OS and my processor is 64 bit(but i have also XP SP2 for games only):lolflag:.

I have one computer for vista and the other computer for ubuntu. Best to make choice depending on what you wish for. If you want to play games and yet you wish your computers to be free from virus harm, then it would be better if you install both MS and ubuntu together such that you use MS for games only, while you use ubuntu to surf the internet. This way you can get the best of the both worlds.

i dualboot and ubuntu for the win. i don't know how i lived without my 4 desktops and compiz makes everything so much more fun when i get bored there is always something to do

Just saying this is an Ubuntu forum so I pretty sure we all like ubuntu more:-) But to be honest Ubuntu is really great! I love it.

Both

Ubuntu is good for some things, Vista is good for others.

For everybody making M$, OMG it's Micro$haft, Micro$oft, $pyware O$, etc comments. grow up.

Frak said: Both

Ubuntu is good for some things, Vista is good for others.

For everybody making M$, OMG it's Micro$haft, Micro$oft, $pyware O$, etc comments. grow up.

I agree with you completely. I hate it when people type "Microsoft" and "M$" in the same sentence, it's like what are you, five?

Right now, I am sticking with Vista. Ubuntu doesn't work as well as I would like with my new machine, so maybe I'll give 9.04/9.10 a go when they are released.

Hi Master Netra

Yes I've tried Vista! It's Spyware to the max, an OS built around Spyware! And that's putting it mildly.

Very few programs run on Vista. While on XP-Pro you can run even older Win3.0 and 3.11 programs that wouldn't run on 95 or 98.

My brother has a fairly large company. Bit the bullet and had PRO's convert his offices over to Vista.

After three weeks of messing around, his doors being closed and turning away customers right and left. He had them restore the whole place back to XP-Pro.

After they recover from the LOSS of trying Vista, and before XP is no longer supported, he's out there looking for alternatives already.

I showed him Ubuntu, but we are both faced with the same problems. No accounting/inventory programs that are supported. Although I've found one that would suit my needs, his company is a thousand times larger than mine. Or was until he tried Vista! He's not sure if they will ever recover from that major mistake!

Mickey$oft almost suckered me in not to long ago with that Majellan project, or whatever they called it. It was Vista without the Spyware and Malware turned on. As soon as we responded to the questionairres and found out it was Vista, I ran a couple of quick tests that I know the results of in Vista. Did NOT get those same results in Majellan. So they obviously turned off all the Spyware for their rigged demo!

This SCAM even turned me further against Mickey$oft!

Need I say more! Nothing with Vista will cross our property lines. I will go back to using pencil and paper before using Vista for anything!

TTUL Gary

Kellemora said: the Ultimate Spyware OS called Vista

Um. No. Vista is not spying on it's users. You can take off your tin foil hat safely ;)

Personally i'd dual boot. Ubuntu is great, but it's not automaticaly a complete replacement for Windows. It depends on what you use your computer for and what you want to use your computer for.

inxygnuu said: Both. You never know when you are going to need windows

I *never* need windows in my personal life. never use it. never think about it.

but i have to say, i fix mostly windows machines for a living, so i know *all* about it. windows (outside of knowing what i have to know for my job) does not interest me in the least. 2 years windows free here. and no regrets. I go through the motions with windows, but installing linux for $$ is nice. i have about 8 customers that use linux in some capacity. i give those people discounts for future calls, or referrals.

btw, most of my customers that dual boot love ubuntu. i've only been called back one time, and it was an easy fix.

to me, windows doesn't make sense.

I've used Vista on a laptop for the past 12 months and loved it for the most part. Luckily when I traveled with it I would lock down the firewall and make sure the Anti Virus was up to date BEFORE leaving the house. That being said, I'm annoyed that it has take up to a year to get the drivers for my Palm Tungsten E2 to work with Outlook and the Palm Desktop software. As well as the HP PSC 1610xi all in one drives had to be updated a few times before all would work well. In Vista the iConvert Scanner for slides and negatives "works" except that I scan about 100 slides/negatives and end up with 1000 in the folder. Which means deleting a lot of "extra" photo's (ideas for doing this under Ubuntu for under $200?). Also I miss having Microsoft Money as my personal finances, but I'm fixing that by running Sun's xVM Virtual Box with either XPPro or Vista Home Premium (maybe both) to do that. Yes, I know about GNUCash, but I have so much tied up in Money. Other wise 95% + of my computing is being handled after about a week and 1/2 by Ubuntu. It is much more seemless than the Xandros Open Circulation Desktop I tried in 2005. I also like these well organized user forums. Just my two cents.

PS - The desktop will be changed to a dual boot XPPro next weekend and my Acer Aspire 5520 laptop will follow in about a month or so, once I feel comfortable on the desktop. Advice on the Acer would be great, I know laptops are the harder of the two to get up and running. I'm trying to decide between using the "normal" 32 bit or try out the 64 bit on the laptop. I have Dual AM Turion 64 processors.

Linux needs a bigger commercial backing to ever compete against Windows or at the very least user demand.

Half of the hardware doesn't have official drivers supported by companies which makes it very difficult to maintain a operating system.

Goddard said: Linux needs a bigger commercial backing to ever compete against Windows or at the very least user demand.

Half of the hardware doesn't have official drivers supported by companies which makes it very difficult to maintain a operating system.

Shurely you are forgetting about Red Hat, IBM, Novell, Intel, linutronix, Oracle, Linux Foundation, SWsoft, Analog Devices, Renesas Technology, MIPS Technologies, Freescale, MontaVista, NetApp, SGI, HP, Linux Networx, Secretlab, PA Semi, QLogic, Fujitsu, NTT, Sony, Atmel, Cendio, Google, Broadcom, M&N Solutions, Astaro, Cisco, Tripeaks, Qumranet, University of Aberdeen, Marvell, Univ of Michigan CITI, Bull SAS, Axis Communications, Snapgear, Hauppauge, Nokia, Cosmosbay~Vectis, NEC, Chelsio, Mellanox, LSI Logic, XenSource, Panasas, Simtec, AMD, Neterion, Miracle Linux, CC Computer Consultants, Hansen Partnership, Digi International, Real-Time Remedies, Barco, Voltaire, Sun, Toshiba, VA Linux Systems Japan, rPath, DENX Software Engineering, Samsung, Los Alamos National Laboratory, Cybernetics, cozybit, Veritas, OLPC, Ascom, NetXen, Realtek, SICE SA - ACS Dragados, IPUnity-Glenayre, Transmode Systems, Znyx Networks, NIIF Institute, CompuLab, Hitachi, MIPS, HES-SO Valais Wallis, Atomide, SANPeople, Solid Boot Ltd, NVidia, Wipro, Macq Electronique, Science Fiction Technologies, OpenedHand, Semihalf Embedded Systems, Telargo, NameSys, Adaptec, CSR, ST Microelectronics, Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Mandriva, University of Michigan, National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology, Imagination Technologies, OpenSource AB, University of Sevilla, PiKRON sro, Movial, Artec Design, Beijing Rising Technology Co, US National Security Agency, Auriga, Crash Barrier, Open Grid Computing, Vyatta, OpenMoko, Bluewater Systems, Wind River, Concurrent Computer Corporation, Pengutronix, SteelEye, Trinnov Audio, Canonical, LWNnet, Dave Srl, Starent Networks, ScaleMP Inc, MSC Vertriebsges, HV Sistemas, Embedded Alley Solutions, ITT Industries, Absolut Bank, HighPoint Technologies, Panasonic, Sandia National Laboratories, Arastra Inc, ComX Networks, Savant Systems, University of Cambridge, ARM, Winbond Electronics, INRIA, Edesix Ltd, ONELAN, South Pole AB, TriplePoint, GeoTechnologies, Emulex, Tower Technologies, Texas Instruments, Sirrix, SYSGO, Philosys Software, Roku, Nortel, INL, STMicroelectronics, ARVOO Engineering, Avtrex, Kontron Embedded Modules, XTECH, Katalix Systems, Pardus, Harris Corporation, Eleven Musicproduction, Azingo, Wabtec Railway Electronics, Terascala, Cray, Akamai Technologies, Rockwell Collins, DTI - 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Desarrollo de la tecnologia de las comunicaciones, D Technologies, DENX GmbH, LiPPERT Embedded Computers GmbH, Adeneo, GVS, Thinktube, Sandia National Labs, Axis, XIV Information Systems, MicroGate Systems, PHILOSYS Software, IC Plus, Citrix.

That's over 200 companies providing corporate backing for Linux. But you're right, driver support could do with some improvement.

Let's try that again, Desktop company support. That just eliminated 80% of your list.

my laptop came with vista and you couldn't pay me to reinstall it. i'm not against windows just vista.

it comes down to whether or not you can afford to be down at a critical time. I love ubuntu, but there are so many quirks that it really isnt effective for a new user to be using. Just this past week I converted completely to ubuntu and since havent been able to do anything because I have been trying to fix various problems with drivers, random error messages etc. Granted, I am newb, but part of the draw of ubuntu are the customization possibilities, and the more you customize, the more potential instability you garner.