Long story short, it's really bad for the future of GNU/Linux. Developers haven't got the time to dive into every API of every desktop environment. Ditch GTK+ for Qt or the opposite. Ubuntu is now the flagship of GNU/Linux on the desktop(freedom fanaticism aside) and it should lead the way. So much struggling in this community because every tribe of geeks want to do everything their way. Together they could have made a revolution.
Multiple Desktop Environments, the nightmare that GNU/Linux can't wake up from
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What? If the developers worked in that way together, it would be a Pyrrhic revolution at best.
Why do you think I care about a revolution? I just want to do what I want with my computer...
cardinals_fan said: Why do you think I care about a revolution? I just want to do what I want with my computer...
If Torvalds thought that way in the 90s, you wouldn't be enjoying the kernel's strengths as they are now.
The last time I checked, KDE, GNOME, XFCE, and LXDE were doing fine on their own ...
verb3k said: Developers haven't got the time to dive into every API of every desktop environment.
They don't have to...
Ditch GTK+ for Qt or the opposite.
There's too much code built on either one for that.
So much struggling in this community because every tribe of geeks want to do everything their way.
I see no struggling, we get along just fine...
Together they could have made a revolution.
I think we already are...
verb3k said: Long story short, it's really bad for the future of GNU/Linux. Developers haven't got the time to dive into every API of every desktop environment. Ditch GTK+ for Qt or the opposite. Ubuntu is now the flagship of GNU/Linux on the desktop(freedom fanaticism aside) and it should lead the way. So much struggling in this community because every tribe of geeks want to do everything their way. Together they could have made a revolution.
yes dear, of course dear, you're right dear. software developers really should do as they are told by nobodies on internet forums.
Beware ubuntuists, Windows 7 is just around the corner. Live in your Heckloads of bugs and bug trackers and always think about what next that you need to do in order to extract from this fossil system things that might be of use.
Why would I care about Windows 7? Linux is rock solid for me, beautiful, and everything that I could ever want. As far as I'm concerned the devs are doing just fine.
verb3k said: If Torvalds thought that way in the 90s, you wouldn't be enjoying the kernel's strengths as they are now.
A quote from Linus Torvalds in a 2006 interview:
KLS: Now let's go back to the beginnings when Linux first started in the early 1990s. What motivated you to give away the source code?
LT: I didn't start thinking I want to give out the source code. What I started doing, already at that point I was 21, I was at Helsinki University and for half my life I'd been doing programming. All the projects I'd ever done had been projects for my own enjoyment -- technical challenges, but also to just solve issues that I had. And Linux really was nothing different from that. So open source was not really a conscious decision of "I want to make this open source." To a large degree open source was just a way to allow others to look at this and say, "Hey, this is what I've done -- I'm proud of this." http://edition.cnn.com/2006/BUSINESS/05/18/global.office.linustorvalds/
verb3k said: Beware ubuntuists, Windows 7 is just around the corner. Live in your Heckloads of bugs and bug trackers and always think about what next that you need to do in order to extract from this fossil system things that might be of use.
Why should I extract stuff from Windows 7? I live and let live.
dont feed the troll.
I can't see what this big "nightmare" is. I'm running lots of Gnome apps on KDE 4 right now. In the past I've used Gnome apps on KDE 3.5, and KDE apps on Gnome. And Gnome and KDE apps on XFCE.
There's just one thing that needs to be sorted out: Drag and drop between Gnome and KDE - it doesn't always work, but then most Windows users don't drag and drop anyway.
The problem in developing for *nix is not the varying environments, it's the tendency for APIs to come and go without long-term support. You build your app around <insert library here>, only for the maintainer to disappear or the project fork or another API to pop up in it's place to satisfy some minor shortcoming of the original design, etc.
Destroying *nix's polygamous relationship with DEs doesn't solve this problem, it just pisses off users who have diverse needs/expectations and will in all likelihood result in a bloated environment which will only run on the latest hardware (sound familiar?)
Islington said: dont feed the troll.
This.
Honestly, if Xfce and Gnome ever ceded to KDE, I'd be forced to go back to XP. My PC simply can't hack KDE4.
verb3k said: Beware ubuntuists, Windows 7 is just around the corner. Live in your Heckloads of bugs and bug trackers and always think about what next that you need to do in order to extract from this fossil system things that might be of use.
I haven't read past this post yet though I can quickly see that you verb3k are a troll.
If you don't like Linux the way it is start coding, or being constructive in some fashion instead of amusing yourself when you are bored by attempting to incite flames with your empty hot air.
no I think verb3k is correct here.. he has clear insight into those problems:roll:, probably from decade of programming in KDE and GNOME and realizes that if you are in KDE then you are totally unable to run GNOME programs.. it's like trying to install mac programs on windy.
but yeah all cleverly disguised humor aside... this reminds me of: "Your project sucks compared to the one you hate.
Please discuss"](*,)
Its ultimately the user that has to make the choice. I don't care of a revolution. Linux just works!
handy said: I haven't read past this post yet though I can quickly see that you verb3k are a troll.
If you don't like Linux the way it is start coding, or being constructive in some fashion instead of amusing yourself when you are bored by attempting to incite flames with your empty hot air.
The only communities in which being constructive (critically) can really change things for the better are the Firefox and Blender communities.
Incite flames? I'm the guy who will tell you that you have a piece of spinach in your teeth rather than let you walk around all day and not know.
Islington said: dont feed the troll.
Ding Ding Ding.
If forced to use Gnome I would give up on Linux.
verb3k said:
Incite flames? I'm the guy who will tell you that you have a piece of spinach in your teeth rather than let you walk around all day and not know.
I realize that not *everyone* who thinks we should have just one GUI is a troll. But surely this thread should be moved to Recurring Discussions?
verb3k said: The only communities in which being constructive (critically) can really change things for the better are the Firefox and Blender communities.
Hate to break this to you but the 'tough love' routine isn't working for you, either.
t0p said: I realize that not *everyone* who thinks we should have just one GUI is a troll. But surely this thread should be moved to Recurring Discussions?
*helpful tags have been added*
verb3k said:
Incite flames? I'm the guy who will tell you that you have a piece of spinach in your teeth rather than let you walk around all day and not know.
:lolflag:
If you allow the for the credence/validity of other ways of doing things than your own it has this remarkable effect of broadening your mind. :-)
handy said: :lolflag:
If you allow the for the credence/validity of other ways of doing things than your own it has this remarkable effect of broadening your mind. :-) Nice, what an overwhelming statement!
what does one wear to a revolution?
3rdalbum said: I can't see what this big "nightmare" is. I'm running lots of Gnome apps on KDE 4 right now. In the past I've used Gnome apps on KDE 3.5, and KDE apps on Gnome. And Gnome and KDE apps on XFCE.
that. dont most users end up with API stuff from at least Gnome and KDE _anyways_?
verb3k said: Nice, what an overwhelming statement!
Good, I'm glad you caught my drift. ;-)
Are we still entertaining you?
chucky chuckaluck said: what does one wear to a revolution?
Funniest thing I've read all day. Marry me.
verb3k said: The only communities in which being constructive (critically) can really change things for the better are the Firefox and Blender communities.
Incite flames? I'm the guy who will tell you that you have a piece of spinach in your teeth rather than let you walk around all day and not know. I enjoy competitive speech/debate, and at this point in a debate I would normally point out that you failed to support any of your points or address any of the criticisms offered. Doing so now could save you from certain loss in a debate. Since this is just an internet forum and we don't have judges, using logical reasoning will just offer you an opportunity to dispel my and others' notions that you are a troll.
chucky chuckaluck said: what does one wear to a revolution?
Epic, epic, and epic.
Thanks for keeping it sane folks.
Moved to recurring discussions.
Blast it. My _*helpful*_ tags were removed.....Meanies.
I use Kubuntu with KDE,but i can also use GNOME apps :lolflag::lol:=D>.
Oh sure lets force everyone to use the same DE, the same code and be good little borg drones... sigh