"You have received an infraction at Ubuntu Forums"

**bapoumba]Dear eye208,

You have received an infraction at Ubuntu Forums.

Reason: Insulted Other Member(s) ------- hello, your last sentence was really uncalled for. I'm going to remove it. Please have a look at the UF CoC for posting guidance, thanks. Regards, bapoumba.

Be respectful of all users at all times. This means please use etiquette and politeness. Treat people with kindness and gentleness. If you do this the rest of the code of conduct won't need more than a cursory mention.

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This infraction is worth 1 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

Original Post: [post]6733916[/post]

[QUOTE=ajackson said:** If a language has a de jure standard, that is it's standard. If a languages doesn't have a de jure standard then the de facto standard is it's standard.

A language can have both a de jure standard and a de facto standard as long as the latter does not violate the former. In the case of GNU C++, the ISO standard is a subset of the de facto standard. There is no conflict at all.

In the case of Java, there is no de jure standard, and the de facto standard keeps changing with every release. Ask any full-time Java developer if he/she thinks that Java is a standardized language. You will hear a resounding No!

There have been both binary and source code incompatibilities in every Java release. If you don't believe me, take a look at these documents issued by Sun:

http://java.sun.com/javase/6/webnotes/compatibility.html http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/compatibility.html http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/compatibility.html http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.1/compatibility.html http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4/compatibility.html http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/compatibility.html http://java.sun.com/products/jdk/1.2/compatibility.html http://java.sun.com/products/jdk/1.1/compatibility.html

Java is not a standard by any stretch of the imagination. If you require full compatibility with all existing Java applications, you have to install no less than seven JREs side by side!

Sorry, but you guys really have no clue. And frankly, I don't believe that anyone of you has ever written a non-trivial application in Java. The level of stupidity you are displaying here is truly breathtaking.

All the best, Ubuntu Forums

**eye208]hello,

your last sentence was really uncalled for. Uncalled for?

What do you call this? [QUOTE=ajackson said:**

I'll let you have the final word, I'm off to discuss this with my cat, only way to get a rational intelligent discussion.

I've been keeping my replies polite, I've presented facts, I've submitted code, while these morons called me a troll. Now you're taking action against *me*???

If you intend to let that handful of idiots take over the forum, you can as well cancel my account. I'm not going to revoke any of my statements. If you start censoring me, I'm gone.

I am requesting the forum administrators to either withdraw the infraction or to cancel my account and delete all my posts from the database.

So close, such a great post until

Sorry, but you guys really have no clue. And frankly, I don't believe that anyone of you has ever written a non-trivial application in Java. The level of stupidity you are displaying here is truly breathtaking.

That disrespectful statement towards other members of the forum is against our guidelines as pointed out and I am in support of the infraction issued for it.

If you think other users are being trolls, please report them and let us take care of it; don't try to take such matters into your own hands.

jdong said: If you think other users are being trolls, please report them and let us take care of it; don't try to take such matters into your own hands.

OK. I've reported some of ajackson's posts. As you can see, this had been going on for quite a while.

eye208 said: OK. I've reported some of ajackson's posts. As you can see, this had been going on for quite a while.

Fully understood. The staff is aware of some of the tensions/issues in the Programming Talk forum and we are working hard to keep the place friendly, and equally as importantly, a reliable and unbiased environment to discuss programming/development.

As I said in my first reply, maybe a bit more rudely than I should've (apologies, just woke up all groggy), you were doing a great job making your point, backing it up with primary sources, but it's only that last part where you used some personal insults that the staff has a problem with. It's perfectly okay to state your level of personal experience/expertise to validate your point, just be aware that there's a fine line between doing so and coming across as condescending/belittling.

A one point infraction really doesn't do anything to restrict you -- it's meant to serve as a reminder more than anything else, and we don't really look at it any differently than that either.