If I may ask this

This seemed a more appropriate place to ask as opposed to the BIG forums.

Here Goes: Do you use Linux more as a political statement? Anti MS, anti big business, anti capitalism, pro socialism?

I'm truly sincere in my inquiry. This is the impression I'm getting.

No, i just want a secure os without blue screens.

not in the NC area buuuuuutttt

i find it just runs better in general sure some things are hard, but thats true with every OS

A lot of people just like it better, or use it because it doesn't cost anything. That's why I use it.

For some it is a political statement, but what statement that is varies. Some are pro-free software, some are anti-Microsoft. I don't really get an anti-capitalist or pro-socialist vibe about Ubuntu or Linux. Where do you see that?

I know those statements are sort of in the extreme but for me as a black & white person I see anti MS as anti Capitalism and I see pro free software ( all software) as being pro socialism. I use Linux on one of my lappies for Internet only. I think Linux is best suited for this. Much more secure. My other lappy is XP for eveything else. It never goes on the Internet and has no antimalware programs installed and it runs great. It's the antimalware stuff that's really screwing up MS but it's their own fault.

Actually not, I just use it for being better for my needs. I'm not against capitalism, and not against Microsoft. In fact, I'll soon be needing Windows, so I've also bought it, to have the best of both worlds.

Silvertones said: I know those statements are sort of in the extreme but for me as a black & white person I see anti MS as anti Capitalism and I see pro free software ( all software) as being pro socialism.

Wouldn't this logically imply that Microsoft is pro socialism?

I do not think it fair to use economic theories or systems, both socialism [1] and capitalism [2] are economic systems, to compare the closed source proprietary and free open source software development models.

One example of that is the software company headquarted in Raleigh, North Carolina named RedHat [3]. They produce, among other things, RedHat Enterprise Linux and sponsor the Fedora project. Over the last five years their stock price has increased 131.6% [4]. Certainly that is a successful capitalist venture based on open source technology. Canonical, Inc. [5] is another example but being a privately held company we do not have access to their financials. While Canonical sponsors Ubuntu, a free open source project, they choose to be closed on the details of their financial situation. At least I couldn't google up any details.

I started using Linux in the late '90's initially because I could find so much information on how things worked. Now I find the unix philosophy of computing superior to Microsoft's more monolithic approach.

I use Linux on one of my lappies for Internet only. I think Linux is best suited for this. Much more secure. My other lappy is XP for eveything else. It never goes on the Internet and has no antimalware programs installed and it runs great. It's the antimalware stuff that's really screwing up MS but it's their own fault.

To me to own a computer that I could not safely connect to the internet would make that machine virtually useless; but that's just me.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism [3] http://www.redhat.com [4] http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:RHT [5] http://www.canonical.com

Regards, Mark

OK Mark I see your point. I'm not the most versed in political science. MS, Cononical, RedHat are all Capitilist ventures. I suppose to be truly socialist it would need to be government sponsored. So for us in the USA it's a matter of just not liking MS's strangle hold on the industry? As far as my XP computer it's strictly for my music recording and does not need to go on the internet.

Silvertones said: OK Mark I see your point. I'm not the most versed in political science. MS, Cononical, RedHat are all Capitilist ventures. I suppose to be truly socialist it would need to be government sponsored. So for us in the USA it's a matter of just not liking MS's strangle hold on the industry?

I may have short leg up on you having been a polysci major, with a focus on public administration, for a time. I think most of the average home computer users in the US are oblivious to how the rest of the world sees MS. Most of that class of computer user is not aware of the choices available. Many are not willing to make the commitment to owning their own computer by taking control of what runs on that computer.

As far as my XP computer it's strictly for my music recording and does not need to go on the internet.

How very interesting! There's this NC guy I know mostly over the internet that uses Ubuntu to record his jazz. I'm not sure if he posts much to the forum, But he's usually on the team IRC channel with the nick of holstein.

Just for fun look at the stock price of Novell; products and deals over time. I forgot that strange example.

peace

I feel that I like to explore every technology i can get my hands on. After I had felt I had gone as far as I could with Windows I switched to Linux. It's fun learning experience.

No politics here. Linux to me is a platform of great security stability and speed. Best of all is that when i get bored it is quite fun to intentionally hose the os and try and repair it on my own. If i cant it's no big deal with a free os, it is with a 100 dollar one though.

ell02 said: No politics here. Linux to me is a platform of great security stability and speed. Best of all is that when i get bored it is quite fun to intentionally hose the os and try and repair it on my own. If i cant it's no big deal with a free os, it is with a 100 dollar one though.

Same here: I don't really care about the politics of it. It is what has worked for me the best over the years.

Are any of you in North Carolina?

If not; why did you choose our forum for this disscussion?

-mark

erik2912 said: No, i just want a secure os without blue screens.

Me too. Nothing political about it for me.

Let's see my reasons for using Linux, hmmm...

At first it was just another technology that the time had come for me to learn. We were looking at moving our Oracle database servers to Linux at the company I worked for at the time. The manager of the IT security team suggested Ubuntu 6.06 to learn the basics. I downloaded and installed it. That was years ago.

Now I use it because it's faster, safer, cleaner, cheaper and can do everything I want it to do.

No politics, never even crossed my mind.

(We never did move Oracle to Linux. The company went out of business a few years after I left.)

I use Linux because it fits all of my computing needs and the price fits my budget.

I dual booted with Windows 98SE and Windows XP until I got completely fed up with the many bugs that remained unfixed in Windows. I found myself booting into Windows only when helping "friends" with their computers, but I got tired of that quickly as all the help went one way.

When I finally reclaimed the disk space that Windows had used, I found that I could do all my computing needs easier and quicker in Linux, so I haven't looked back.

I may come across as political as I strongly disagree with Microsoft's business ethics.

Competition is good for the consumer and producer, so up Linux!

fancypiper said: I use Linux because it fits all of my computing needs and the price fits my budget.

I dual booted with Windows 98SE and Windows XP until I got completely fed up with the many bugs that remained unfixed in Windows. I found myself booting into Windows only when helping "friends" with their computers, but I got tired of that quickly as all the help went one way.

When I finally reclaimed the disk space that Windows had used, I found that I could do all my computing needs easier and quicker in Linux, so I haven't looked back.

I may come across as political as I strongly disagree with Microsoft's business ethics.

Competition is good for the consumer and producer, so up Linux!

In my opinion Apple's business practices make Microsoft look out of date.

The best part of this thread is that we have some NC respondents.

Second best is that we didn't get all carried away with flames, we were and are capable of a reasonable discussion.

I find that to have a high value.

I don't see politics in my choice of operating systems but others may.

I've also been pondering how something that is owned by no one can be owned by so many. Play on the word "owned".

Ownership doesn't fit in at all does it?

Where does the little bit that I contribute fit? Well if it fits in at all; I don't own that little bit.

I suppose to some that concept seems offensive. But I see it is as y'all give a lot, I take a lot and give back a little.

oh that is how it works, this whole open source thing.

The biggest gain or plus is for the end user who gains access to the knowledge only granted to the precious few anointed by the knowledge gods.

Well a computer is a car, truck; your vehicle. Do you trust your mechanic?

Well my brother is a mechanic so I can't answer that unequivocally but I hope you get my point.

-mark

linux since '98

I am from, well I live in, NC. I'm actually from NH by way of Florida. I love Linux. I uninstalled my wubi install last week and did a side by side in preparation for Nuke Day. I run 2 computers. One as I mentioned before is my "band" for my one man show. I'm running proprietary software that will only run in Windows. I have XP PRO. I have to admit that that computer is as touble free and as fast as Ubuntu unless I want to put it on the Internet and load up all the crap. This is what irks me about MS. They could fix all of the security issues if they wanted but they won't. If you do there updates you get all this"security fix" stuff. Right. I don't mind then owning the OS however it's become a monopoly of sorts and that's what bugs me.