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While we won't know any details until after the UDS-n (25. - 29. Oct. in Orlando, USA), there are already a lot of blueprints connected to this event:
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-n
I am curious about seeing Unity mature, experimenting with btrfs, and of course the whole "natty" thing. :)
Delta debs need to be a priority this time around.
I'm sick of seeing it get pushed back. Hopefully it'll get addressed at UDS.
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-desktop-n-install-footprint
There are a couple of interesting ones this time around. One of the main topics this time around seems to be improving and expanding Multitouch support. Personally I am more waiting for delta debs and btrfs.
The most intriguing blueprint I found this one, as it explicitly mentions Steam on Ubuntu:
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-dx-n-multitouch-and-games
What am I looking for?
Bugs!
Especially in X!
One of my ten partitions is running with apt source set to natty. Not much action yet. Around Alpha 1 or so things should get interesting....
Jerry
I would like to see fingerprint reader support in Kubuntu, seems as though the KDE people are not pursuing this so i wonder if the Kubuntu team will pick this up?
Cary
I would like to see them get ubiquity straightened out and then LEAVE IT THE HE** ALONE , every time they "improve the user experience" they screw someone (usually many) up . and try to make upgrading a little less painfull , a quick look around the "normal" user and beginner forums shortly after release will tell them what needs work .
I'm looking forward to:
Plymouth and Nvidia working in harmony
Delta updates are a must have. I would like to see a panel control, and also fixing all the damn bugs and slowness in USC.
Starks said: Delta debs need to be a priority this time around.
I'm sick of seeing it get pushed back. Hopefully it'll get addressed at UDS.
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-desktop-n-install-footprint
+1 for delta debs.
Also IMO they should drop that CD limit stuff. I mean, give a "lite" version for CD, but the main version must be DVD, so they can put all the stuff they want (read lot of times arguments like "we don't put vlc because we don't have space, so instead we put -crappy movie player-", and also compress less so instalation and livecd is much faster.
Alpha 1 and lots of bugs. As for the final release it would be nice to the see wireless connectivity in KDE improved so I can have a good look at Kubuntu.
rekonq as default in kubuntu, a new wallpaper (please put in some narwhals) and overall speed improvement. and the whole process of me breaking my machine millions of time, always very fun :) oh and btrfs and LibreOffice as default as well
Delta debs BTRFS Packagekit.d replace aptdaemon Firefox4 Banshee replace Rhythmbox
to be perfectly honest.. I'm not really looking forward to it at all. lol
Only because Im perfectly happy (and then some!) with Ubuntu 10.10.
I can't imagine nedding (or really even wanting) anything else in an OS. I feel 10.10 is truly the perfect 10! For me it is anyway. lol
Well, I guess the "LTS" will be nice, but other than that, I am perfectly happy and content with 10.10. it's amazing. lol :guitar:
jerrylamos said: What am I looking for?
Bugs!
Especially in X!
One of my ten partitions is running with apt source set to natty. Not much action yet. Around Alpha 1 or so things should get interesting....
JerryIn for the ride? :D Hold on tight! :)
kernel 2.6.37 or higher
Broadcom wifi drivers should be merged from staging
I would like to see the Gtk record my desktop improved a little .... if its tied in with Gnome3 and Gnome Shell as its flickering.
but other than that , just the surround sound on ALC888
oh and the wizardpen drivers need to work in the next version ..... so the graphics tablet works again.
I would love to have Xen kernels in Ubuntu so I don't have to be on Debian for my servers & Ubuntu/Kubuntu on the desktops.
Cary
Things that come to mind:
Delta debs would be a must. Unity maturation. USC ratings (and I wouldn't mind to see paying games like World of Goo and Lugaru in it). Use of Zeitgeist "related to" patterns for clever-wtf-automated-tasks. Evolution patch to close it to the messaging menu. Crazy breakage during the dev cycle (because we sure love to learn by fixing :P).
caryb said: I would love to have Xen kernels in Ubuntu so I don't have to be on Debian for my servers & Ubuntu/Kubuntu on the desktops.
Cary I do not know a thing about Xen but there is an extra script in your grub.d file, fairly recently, that has to do with Xen (I think it does anyway). You might want to take a look.
If you do please let me know if I am just flat wrong. I would really like to know what that script is for.
I'm looking forward to:
Can we expect Nouveau with Gallium3D by default in Natty?
If so, definitely looking forward to that too.
this here is nice: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-foundations-n-update-manager-incremental-updates
Especially the downloading and installing in parallel which this partly allows. It always disturbed me on large updates to download 20 minutes and then have another 10-15 min installing when most of this could be done at the same time. And related to above problem I also would like to see delta debs.
Slug71 said: Can we expect Nouveau with Gallium3D by default in Natty?
If so, definitely looking forward to that too.
There is already 3d support for the nouveau drivers using libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental, which is in the repositories. I'm running it on my natty install on my main computer at home. I do hope it will be installed by default too.
I would like to see some changes in ubuntu forum also. I know its good enough. But I am bored of the same look since forever now.
gauravbutola said: I would like to see some changes in ubuntu forum also. I know its good enough. But I am bored of the same look since forever now.
This is really in the wrong place, as it has nothing to do with natty. To answer your question though, the admins are in the process of getting the updated software ready for a rollout. The software has to be heavily customized in order for it to work the way it should, but we should see it in the near future.
Remember we are all volunteers here, so the customization has to be done in the admin's spare time, so it will be ready, when its ready.
cariboo907 said: There is already 3d support for the nouveau drivers using libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental, which is in the repositories. I'm running it on my natty install on my main computer at home. I do hope it will be installed by default too.
It's hilarious that this driver gives me better performance in Unity than the BLOB. \\:D/
My top priorities for Natty are:
1) Finishing the Btrfs support (which is I believe still hung up on the unintentionally hilarious and tragic gplv2 v. gplv3 superior freedom definition, not working code).
2) Getting Banshee as the default media player on the desktop and UNE releases. I am tired of being told next release or "you're buggy" without a list of bugs we need to fix (or worse after we fix said bugs, being brushed off during the following cycle).
3) Mono 2.8 (SGen, performance enhancements and fixes, I crave your goodness).
4) Initial Systemd support.
5) Nouveau power management and 3D acceleration.
6) PackageKit used in USC.
7) Having Apport finally catch all PulseAudio crashes to identify the source properly and assigning blame rather than spewing technical crash dialogs (see e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/644651).
8) Finally getting good integration with webmail solutions (e.g. being able to pick GMail as my preferred mail application).
9) Finally addressing the multiple block layer and mm issues that cause io to make the desktop suck. (upstream are supposedly working on this for kernel 2.6.37).
0) Launchpad being able to push a bug to upstream with a single click (thus cleverly allowing me to use apport to do all the dirty work without losing the ability to file bugs upstream).
gnomeuser said: My top priorities for Natty are:
3) Mono 2.8 (SGen, performance enhancements and fixes, I crave your goodness).
Actually I hope we get 2.10. Apparently the 2.8 release is simply an "testing" release to iron out the bugs for 2.10 and then 3.0.
gnomeuser said:
0) Launchpad being able to push a bug to upstream with a single click (thus cleverly allowing me to use apport to do all the dirty work without losing the ability to file bugs upstream).
That would be very nice!
P.S Good to see you again gnomeuser.
Slug71 said: That would be very nice!
P.S Good to see you again gnomeuser.
Did you really think I would let you have all they fun to yourself Sluggie?
btrfs Delta debs Chrome Default WebM & WebP support
zekopeko said: Actually I hope we get 2.10. Apparently the 2.8 release is simply an "testing" release to iron out the bugs for 2.10 and then 3.0.
IMHO best way to accelerate that is to convince meebey that the world loves him, and isn't just trying to stress him out with over-short cycles. http://badgerports.org/donate.html contains links only to meebey this month.
Suspend that reliably works Backlight changing the reliably works on my laptop (Lenovo Y450)
Would be cool if Wayland could be ready, at least for the netbook editions, like Meego Linux. We will see.
Small gripe, but KolourPaint should be standard with Kubuntu.
For the people who want BTRFS, I am curious as to why. The performance benefits don't seem great, and the features aren't that much improved over EXT4. Wouldn't it break some compatibility with EXT... so it would need to provide a substantial benefit to justify that.
directhex said: IMHO best way to accelerate that is to convince meebey that the world loves him, and isn't just trying to stress him out with over-short cycles. http://badgerports.org/donate.html contains links only to meebey this month.
Done!
I have little to give but the single reason I came to Ubuntu after leaving Fedora is the superior mono packaging. I know none of you are paid to do this so every bit of incentive we users can provide is important.
Speed_arg said: Also IMO they should drop that CD limit stuff. I mean, give a "lite" version for CD, but the main version must be DVD, so they can put all the stuff they want
I hope they *don't* do this! It's one of the best things about Ubuntu - 700Mb max! :)
Progressive said:
This is my #1. Huge performance, stability and security win in one move.
krazyd said:
This is my #1. Huge performance, stability and security win in one move.
This won´t work for the proprietary drivers as I understand meaning it is pointless for a great number of users. It also requires the implementation of some kind of privilage sharing kit to work for a distribution like Ubuntu.
It sounds like a win chunk of work to get done in the 11.04 time frame but I think we can manage a prototype.
This also raises the question of ARM graphics drivers. We have good progress for ATI and Nvidia cards in terms of open drivers on the new video stack, but these new ARM devices which are going to be important.. so far we basically have nothing.
Sounds like a long term goal for 12.04 LTS for full support if you ask me, if we get started now.
I forgot about the disk io issues in the kernel that gnomeuser brought up. That is a huge one also, which should be automatically incorporated assuming we go with 2.6.37
I didn't realize root-less X would be such a big deal. I am assuming that means it relies on KMS, correct?
I heard it would be a lot of work to modularize the KMS components, so that is not going to happen, and we are stuck with having graphics bits inside the kernel and waiting for new kernel releases.
Is there no way around that?
Also, whoever said firefox4 I also totally agree with. Though I personally couldn't care less about GNOME3. ha
KDE 4.6 on the other hand... give me some of that.
At least GTK 3 will make Wayland easier to run standalone, and Qt-Wayland is in the works for Meego.
Though, since Wayland relies on KMS, it too will have the same issues as Rootless X.
Though, I suppose one could argue that this just means people should be using open drivers and not blobs.
gnomeuser said: This won´t work for the proprietary drivers as I understand meaning it is pointless for a great number of users. gnomeuser said: This also raises the question of ARM graphics drivers. We have good progress for ATI and Nvidia cards in terms of open drivers on the new video stack, but these new ARM devices which are going to be important.. so far we basically have nothing.
This is true, but I don't think improving the architecture of the graphics stack should be held to ransom by the deficiencies of binary blobs. It could work in a similar way to current KMS where proprietary users simply don't get the feature.
gnomeuser said: It also requires the implementation of some kind of privilage sharing kit to work for a distribution like Ubuntu.
I hadn't heard about this - do you have a link?
I hope for some improvements to the new ubiquity.
Beyond that I'm more in "fear mode" :shock:
The loss of synaptic scares the bejesus out of me. I realize that I can install it via cli but I also follow Mint dev and they've pretty much hosed the functionality of synaptic.
I got in trouble the last time I said this, but I really do see some parallels between USC and Lindows/Linspire/Freespires CNR :(
No, it's not the same thing! I simply see similarities!
Synaptic has always been one of my favorite "tools" so I'm bound to lament the loss of it.
OTOH I can get Lucid working on anything I have to maintain, and Squeeze will be out soon for those who can't deal with plymouth, so we have a long time to sort things out :)
No worries at all :wink:
kansasnoob said: Synaptic has always been one of my favorite "tools" so I'm bound to lament the loss of it.
Same here
OGpmpdog said: I'm looking forward to:
Plymouth and Nvidia working in harmony
Speed_arg said: Also IMO they should drop that CD limit stuff. I mean, give a "lite" version for CD, but the main version must be DVD, so they can put all the stuff they want (read lot of times arguments like "we don't put vlc because we don't have space, so instead we put -crappy movie player-", and also compress less so instalation and livecd is much faster.
Sounds like more work for the Ubuntu team. But that's their call.
Slug71 said: ...
Firefox4 Banshee replace Rhythmbox Firefox has had its day. Now is time for Chromium. Banshee? Unless there will be another (or more) apps that use Mono, I think not. Mono is ~40MB to install, so CD space (if DVD's are not used) will be something to think about.
I don't know if there are any plans to introduce it at all but it would be good to see a rollback feature, whereby you could revert to a previous version of Ubuntu without having to do a clean install. It would be particularly useful for anyone who finds their hardware problems, wireless connection problems etc.
andy
phenest said: Mono, I think not. Mono is ~40MB to install, so CD space (if DVD's are not used) will be something to think about.
This is a myth. Both Mono apps installed by default in Maverick plus Mono itself come to less than that.
phenest said:
Firefox has had its day. Now is time for Chromium. You can't be serious. Chromium is one of the worst resource pigs I've ever used. I can't run it for more than an hour with three or four tabs open before it chews up more then 90% of my CPU and drags any of my PCs or laptops to a dead crawl. As long as this is the case with both Chromium and Chrome, neither browser has a place in my work environment. I just can't take either browser seriously.
qamelian said: You can't be serious. Chromium is one of the worst resource pigs I've ever used. I can't run it for more than an hour with three or four tabs open before it chews up more then 90% of my CPU and drags any of my PCs or laptops to a dead crawl. As long as this is the case with both Chromium and Chrome, neither browser has a place in my work environment. I just can't take either browser seriously.
When chrome was first introduced, it was surprisingly light, but lately it has become very demanding on resources.
Personally, I don't use chrome because the font setting is a pita(guess it's same in case of chromium).
Slug71 said: Delta debs
BTRFS Packagekit.d replace aptdaemon Firefox4 Banshee replace Rhythmbox
+1 :guitar:
In addition I want Totem to spit out less errors when playing DVDs (rather random ones, partly in the menu, partly when changing the position within the movie).
The btrfs option is already here, I'm using it on the system I'm using now.
I didn't have to do anything special, just select the option from the manual partitioning menu on the Maverick install disk.
What we do need is grub support for btrfs, I had to create a small ext4 /boot partition in order to make the system bootable.
directhex said: This is a myth. Both Mono apps installed by default in Maverick plus Mono itself come to less than that.
I'm just going on what Synaptic told me.
qamelian said: You can't be serious. Chromium is one of the worst resource pigs I've ever used. I can't run it for more than an hour with three or four tabs open before it chews up more then 90% of my CPU and drags any of my PCs or laptops to a dead crawl. As long as this is the case with both Chromium and Chrome, neither browser has a place in my work environment. I just can't take either browser seriously. papangul said: When chrome was first introduced, it was surprisingly light, but lately it has become very demanding on resources. ...
I haven't seen this issue at all.
Hi!
Delta debs.
Cutting edge speed.
A program like Norton utilities.
KegHead
Most everything that the original Norton Utilities did is already included in the repositories, the only difference is that it had a menu to access the various utilities.
You can have most of the same functionality as Norton Commander by using Midnight Commander.
phenest said: I haven't seen this issue at all.
I've seen it on both Windows and Linux on literally every PC I've tested Chrome/Chromium on without a single exception.
every 6 months I am looking forward to an Ubuntu that can do a good-looking boot screen and a regular laptop hibernation mode. and each 6 months I am being disappointed. So maybe this time? ;)
But aside from that, I am looking forward to Gnome 3 type stuff, updated applications, Libre Office maybe, more panel apps, better drivers, etc... the works... Ubuntu has reached a point where it does work, mostly, but has all this annoying baggage that has been annoying for years... so in a way, it's become like Windows ;)
But I love you Ubuntu :)
qamelian said: I've seen it on both Windows and Linux on literally every PC I've tested Chrome/Chromium on without a single exception.
Hmmm. I've had Chromium up all morning. At this point it's doing about 15% to 20% of 1 gb memory and a few % of cpu. Now if I start flash video %cpu is running 80% no surprise on this old 2 gHz Celeron with integrated i845G. that's with a current VEVO HD style video which is a hog and a bit jerky. % mem is still about 20%. Older style you tube about 50% cpu pretty smooth.
Natty of course.
Jerry
What am I looking for? Bugs of course.
I find chromium starts up slower that firefox, but I'm running 7 extensions in chromium as opposed to 1 in firefox. I rarely use firefox these days.
With chromium, openoffice base, deluge and a terminal running, the system is still only using 743Mb of 2Gb ram.
Don't confuse time it takes to open and memory, with actual program speed. Chrome has indeed increased a lot the boot time, although the rendering speed (what makes webs load faster) has been improved a lot.
Firefox 4, it'll have sandboxing like Chromium/Chrome have.
Speed_arg said: Don't confuse time it takes to open and memory, with actual program speed. Chrome has indeed increased a lot the boot time, although the rendering speed (what makes webs load faster) has been improved a lot.
I'm fully aware of the difference, ram usage isn't a big thing, as I very rarely if ever run into swap, and that should be the only thing that matters when using a Linux distribution.
How much ram an application uses is more a left over from when people where using Windows. Linux uses ram in a totally different way from XP, thats why Microsoft tried emulating the way non-windows operating system use ram, in Vista and Win 7.
As the old saw goes: Empty ram is wasted ram.
It occurs that while I haven't used Windows in over a decade, most people likely will be dual booting at some point. When I tried this with Lucid grub2, the very first introduction you get to having Ubuntu on your machine in this case is mildly put, eyes gouged out with a rusty teaspoon hideous.
Perhaps it is time to do something about this, I know that adding nice visuals adds about a second to the boot time but honestly, let's add that bit of polish. Optimizations have to be possible.
With SSD's becoming cheaper and more popular , both boot times and boot graphics are destined to become less of an issue , 5 or 6 seconds from grub to login is hardly enough time to flash the name on the screen .
I think the developers' number one priority should be making wireless work reliably with every card that people routinely complain about here and at Launchpad. It just sad that dozens of people each week are posting in Networking and Wireless about wireless problems, some of them using adapters like the Intel 3945 that have worked reliably for years. I have an rt2500 device, one of the most common wireless chips in the world, and support for it on Lucid was horrible and much worse than its support in earlier releases.
Until Ubuntu has transparent plug-and-play for wireless adapters, it's going to have problems being more widely accepted.
Some release needs to be dedicated toward bug-fixing with few if any new features added. Why not Natty?
I'd love a release where they can say "We know of no more bugs in the current system."
:D
t.rei said: I'd love a release where they can say "We know of no more bugs in the current system."
I think that would best be saved for the Zelig Zenaida. aka the ubiquitous god.
The Narwhal should be the pinnacle of a wave of things to come. Tearing at the fabric of the present. A unicorn of the deep undiscovered ocean surrounding us.
LiquidMeson said: btrfs
Delta debs Chrome Default WebM & WebP support
Chrome default would be amazing, although I doubt it will happen. =(
Double.
Will we go another release without functioning USB connected cd/dvd drives.. I hope not
gnomeuser said: It occurs that while I haven't used Windows in over a decade, most people likely will be dual booting at some point. When I tried this with Lucid grub2, the very first introduction you get to having Ubuntu on your machine in this case is mildly put, eyes gouged out with a rusty teaspoon hideous.
Perhaps it is time to do something about this, I know that adding nice visuals adds about a second to the boot time but honestly, let's add that bit of polish. Optimizations have to be possible.
I think I remember one the blueprints for UDS-N talking about this issue. Something along the lines that GRUB is or will soon be gaining "proper" theming support and that enable to do prettier system-selection screens and could also allow the replacement of isolinux with GRUB2 for the LiveCD.
As for Chrome/Chromium: I found that there is quite a difference between perceived lightness and actual resource usage. While Chromium always feels snappy and very responsive to me - much more so than Firefox - I'm always shocked when I take a look at the memory usage and discover that my 10 open tabs in Chromium eat up more than 1,1 GB of RAM.
I would like to see a more stable gnome-panel, I hate to sometimes have to type sudo killall gnome-panel, when the notification area is messed up.
A better dictionary by default would be nice, (like Artha) also have it nicely integrated in the desktop al a rhyhmbox-style.
Also improve the already existing Mail-indicator applet, better integration with Evolution but also other mail services as i.e. Thunderbird Empathy.
A clean-up in the Gnome menu, remove things like terminal server client, and entries similiar to that. What average user even touches these things with ten-foot pole?
Some professional templates for the office suite, would be a nice feature, some presentation templates, writer templates for thesis, articles etc.
Capta!nCrude said:
A clean-up in the Gnome menu, remove things like terminal server client, and entries similiar to that. What average user even touches these things with ten-foot pole?
Oh, I use terminal server all the time. My wife needs help on her computer while I'm working or my kids need a question answered downstairs... I can just take care of it from my station. I have used it teaching in school computer labs as well. It really is handy for me. Sure I could just add it but I don't see why it should not be there by default. I think many people use it.
I know what you're getting at though...
Well, after giving Unity a try today... I'm looking forward to see its state in Natty. I'm loving how it saves space by blending the top bar, the window's titlebar and the app's menubar all in one. Very, very smart. I only hope they improve its performance!
Bou said: Well, after giving Unity a try today... I'm looking forward to see its state in Natty. I'm loving how it saves space by blending the top bar, the window's titlebar and the app's menubar all in one. Very, very smart. I only hope they improve its performance!
I too am looking forward to this, I always expected them to push Unity into the desktop space but I didn't expect it to be positioned as the default desktop experience this quickly. I will be very interested to see where we can take this.
Performance will be addressed, mainly it sounds like Mutter is causing these issues and the plan seems to be remodeling Unity using Compiz instead.
i think this development release cycle is going to be very interesting with the UI changes and i am very interested to see it turns out.
never used unity as i dont have a netbook but from videos it looks good. i have read alot about the performance isn't great but according to the keynote speech from Mark this is going to addressed.
i do wonder if you will get a choice between unity, gnome-shell and standard gnome panel arrangements (as they are now look) when you install ubuntu or can easily change when installed.
i am looking forward to some fun this release cycle.
I don't think gnome-shell will be in the default session menu, but even the netbook version of unity gives you a choice of unity or gnome-desktop. From the looks of it, you'll have to install gnome-shell, assuming it's ready by then, if you want to use it.
Unless things have changed, and they well could have, GS and Unity do not work on the same install due to slight differences is mutter. I made that mistake last round.
Needed two installs so that I could try to use them both. Never did get GS to work but Unity finally came around on my hardware.
ranch hand said: Unless things have changed, and they well could have, GS and Unity do not work on the same install due to slight differences is mutter. I made that mistake last round.
Needed two installs so that I could try to use them both. Never did get GS to work but Unity finally came around on my hardware.
Unity will be rebased onto Compiz anyways. So that will make then even more "incompatible".
Looking forward to Unity+ Compiz 9.xx+ Zeitgeist. Good thing the compiz team didn't give in to all the 'community' naysayers and actually contributed something to FOSS and re-wrote their code. Now Ubuntu and Unity have a window manager that actually performs and more talented programmers. It's weird how events turn. I wonder how the 'compiz is useless crowd is feeling now?) :guitar:
With Unity based on compiz, instead of a slightly different version of mutter, the two should work on the same install
A roughly 99% improvement in average latencies, now that sounds like something to look forward to.
http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1010.2/01390.html
Along with the fixes already in .36 (http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/8/1/40) I am feeling pretty confident that the desktop experience in Natty has a solid foundation.
Also looking forward to plymouth ACTUALLY looking like it's meant to when you put proper drivers on.
I'm waiting. :popcorn:
For me full btrfs support and being able to remove unity and still have my full gnome desktop...If not i will be trying someting new for sure.
Thats just me,best regards.
On subject: Fixes, more new features, better polished software...
About Chromium: Firefox all the way. Why? because its not Google. Also Chromium feels kinda young (not mature enough to deserve the title of default browser, if you ask me) Don't get me wrong - Chromium is good. And I use alot of google services. But it is not its time and hope never will be.
P.S. Try FF4 before criticising it!
Hum, Chromium is not Google. Chrome is. Chromium browser is the upstream open-source project for Google's proprietary browser: Chrome.
Well, a faster TRIM-implemenation for my SSD sounds nice and since the 2.6.37 kernel will seem to be making it to Natty everything looks good. :)
Natty will be 2.6.38 according to Bryce
I really would like that the ubuntu-installer gives us the choice between installing grub1 and grub2 at installation time.
I find grub2 too complicated and I do completely not like the automatic grub-update.
I have several distro's on my computer and after the grub-update I'll easily end up with 25 kernels; and that is not very handy.
Bert Mariën said: I really would like that the ubuntu-installer gives us the choice between installing grub1 and grub2 at installation time.
I find grub2 too complicated and I do completely not like the automatic grub-update.
I have several distro's on my computer and after the grub-update I'll easily end up with 25 kernels; and that is not very handy.
the alternate installer gives you a choice of which grub to install.
I only recently made the switch to Ubuntu 10.04, so I doubt I can be bothered to transition *again* until near the end of the LTS period.
That said, my must-haves include:
0) Stop breaking stuff that once worked! I don't want to have to manually downgrade any packages, then lock them, to get basic things like floppy support working again.
1) Quit fooling with the window buttons. They were fine where they were. Yes, yes, it's all user-configurable - but a "Mac lookalike" mode should be an option, not the default.
MadCow108 said: the alternate installer gives you a choice of which grub to install.
Thanks! I didn't know that.
But it sure would be handy if that also was the case for the regular installer iso/cd/dvd.