Archived thread 1756639 from Oneiric Ocelot Testing and Discussion (CLOSED). Markdown source: Oneiric_Ocelot_Testing_and_Discussion_(CLOSED)/thread_1756639_Package_selection_in_Ubiquity.md
Edubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal let you chose the packages you want to install by providing a package selection dialog in Ubiquity.
Why don't ship the same facility in Ubuntu Oneiric? Don't know if it is discussed these days during UDS, would be a nice to have feature.
Edubuntu, is designed for a totally different type of user, it actually assumes you know what you are doing, whereas the Ubuntu desktop install assumes you have no idea what you are doing :).
The Edubuntu install allows you to set up a server/client system, which most new Ubuntu users either have no idea what it is, or don't have the skill set that allows them to setup a working server/client network.
We don't have this, because we want the Ubuntu install to be as simple as possible. If you want to, it's very easy to addd/remove stuff once Ubuntu's installed.
cariboo907 said: Edubuntu, is designed for a totally different type of user, it actually assumes you know what you are doing, whereas the Ubuntu desktop install assumes you have no idea what you are doing :).
The Edubuntu install allows you to set up a server/client system, which most new Ubuntu users either have no idea what it is, or don't have the skill set that allows them to setup a working server/client network.
Thanks Cariboo for the explanation, havan't thought it was related to server/client needs.
fluteflute said: We don't have this, because we want the Ubuntu install to be as simple as possible. If you want to, it's very easy to addd/remove stuff once Ubuntu's installed.
I know installation process is kept as simple as possible but an "advanced button" has been present in old releases for setting up grub, so could be not an issue to add a new one. I know as well it is easy to install and remove stuff after installation but allowing package selection could help in some scenarios.
(FYI I always use the minimal installation iso (12mb) with selected packages and modified metapackages, so my suggestion was not related to my personal interests)
fluteflute said: We don't have this, because we want the Ubuntu install to be as simple as possible. If you want to, it's very easy to addd/remove stuff once Ubuntu's installed.
The installation process could still be kept simple even with alternatives or options, if there were a simple button to make a default installation.
Even with 7 clicks and having to enter your user name and password, the Ubuntu Desktop install is pretty complicated for some users, adding any other options would make it even more confusing/complicated. Until there are more OEMs selling systems with Ubuntu pre-installed, the installation process should be as simple as possible.
cariboo907 said: Even with 7 clicks and having to enter your user name and password, the Ubuntu Desktop install is pretty complicated for some users, adding any other options would make it even more confusing/complicated. Until there are more OEMs selling systems with Ubuntu pre-installed, the installation process should be as simple as possible.
How about a 2-option installation: 1) default installation (very simple straightforward) 2) advanced installation (several setup options)
The problem is, that in order to do what you are suggesting, the Live CD would have to move to a DVD, as there isn't any room left on the CD for extra applications
cariboo907 said: The problem is, that in order to do what you are suggesting, the Live CD would have to move to a DVD, as there isn't any room left on the CD for extra applications
That is true. So, it could be accomplished by using net connection for advanced installation.
The problem with doing a net install of packages during the install process, is that some wireless devices can't be enabled, until after the install is finished, the Broadcom STA driver for one.
fluteflute said: We don't have this, because we want the Ubuntu install to be as simple as possible. If you want to, it's very easy to addd/remove stuff once Ubuntu's installed.
Yeah! It's really easy to add and remove stuff once it's installed guys, so i hope they start shipping Ubuntu without Gnome, Unity, LibreOffice,firefox, and.... /SARCASM
See, this idea doesn't hold up so well. Sure, it's easy, but is it really ideal? I hate the attitude lately that instead of including better applications with default installs, everybody resorts to rudely saying "If you don't like it, install something else!" /RAGE :P
(don't worry fluteflute, Im not refering to you in the second part of my post :) )
christoph411 said: Yeah! It's really easy to add and remove stuff once it's installed guys, so i hope they start shipping Ubuntu without Gnome, Unity, LibreOffice,firefox, and.... /SARCASM
See, this idea doesn't hold up so well. Sure, it's easy, but is it really ideal? I hate the attitude lately that instead of including better applications with default installs, everybody resorts to rudely saying "If you don't like it, install something else!" /RAGE :P
(don't worry fluteflute, Im not refering to you in the second part of my post :) ) Yes the assumption seems to be that Ubuntu users are in some way deficient. I find that insulting to the user.
There was some talk at UDS about switching to DVD/USB or a 2-CD system.
see CD debate/
For people who can boot it, the USB stick seems like the best option. For people who need to stick with CD, I'm guessing Xubuntu or Lubuntu will probably be the suggested alternative.
christoph411, Ubuntu does ship the best software by default but you're free to disagree and install other stuff. :-)
The Live DVD for Mandriva is really great. 3 desktop environments included, install 1,2 or all 3. Could save a lot of time in the long run for the folks putting out the images.
jbicha said: christoph411, Ubuntu does ship the best software by default but you're free to disagree and install other stuff. :-)
Thats obviously a very debatable statement. You must not have noticed all the talk of wanting to replace Evolution with Thunderbird lately? Or that in 11.10, Computer Janitor and Pitivi are being removed and Deja Dup is being included? I'm also sure that quite a few people would agree with me that Chromium should be the new default browser...