Some suggestions for 11.10

Coming with 11.10, we seriously need a "downgrade" option in the update manager. This would solve so many people's problems without causing them all the hassle of backing up their files, then just reinstalling their files. This is a must.

Also, Ubuntu 11.10 should stay in Beta stage for a longer time, to give the developers time to adjust to the glitches and fix them. I think everyone here got a bit pissed seeing all the new glitches in 11.04! And if it is still too glitchy by the time it is supposed to be released, hold it back 3 weeks or so! Better safe than sorry!

Also, the Unity dock should have a theming option.

And finally, there needs to be a classic Ubuntu spinoff. A lot of people are going to miss the original Gnome 2 desktop environment, and a lot of people aren't going to want to accept these changes, so better safe than sorry with that one, too! Maybe this new spinoff can take small, yet gradual steps to Unity over the process of the project, merging back with Ubuntu after say.... 4 years? This will help Mark Shuttleworth achieve his plan of 200,000,000 users in 4 years, as it will appear to a larger, broader crowd.

What do you people reading this think?

+1 for a downgrade option

linuxuser12345 said: Coming with 11.10, we seriously need a "downgrade" option in the update manager. This would solve so many people's problems without causing them all the hassle of backing up their files, then just reinstalling their files. This is a must.

Also, Ubuntu 11.10 should stay in Beta stage for a longer time, to give the developers time to adjust to the glitches and fix them. I think everyone here got a bit pissed seeing all the new glitches in 11.04! And if it is still too glitchy by the time it is supposed to be released, hold it back 3 weeks or so! Better safe than sorry!

Also, the Unity dock should have a theming option.

And finally, there needs to be a classic Ubuntu spinoff. A lot of people are going to miss the original Gnome 2 desktop environment, and a lot of people aren't going to want to accept these changes, so better safe than sorry with that one, too! Maybe this new spinoff can take small, yet gradual steps to Unity over the process of the project, merging back with Ubuntu after say.... 4 years? This will help Mark Shuttleworth achieve his plan of 200,000,000 users in 4 years, as it will appear to a larger, broader crowd.

What do you people reading this think?

I don't think the "classic" edition with gnome 2 would be very sensible, since gnome 3 is out and gnome 2 will be deprecated. A gnome 3 edition would be nice though.

Coming with 11.10, we seriously need a "downgrade" option in the update manager. This would solve so many people's problems without causing them all the hassle of backing up their files, then just reinstalling their files. This is a must.Please be proactive and protect yourself, create a disk image before you upgrade. Dist-upgrading is not mandatory so consider your options before you execute,

Also, Ubuntu 11.10 should stay in Beta stage for a longer time, to give the developers time to adjust to the glitches and fix them. I think everyone here got a bit pissed seeing all the new glitches in 11.04! And if it is still too glitchy by the time it is supposed to be released, hold it back 3 weeks or so! Better safe than sorry! Ubuntu has been releasing "On Schedule" all but one time that I am aware of and all involved should be aware of this. Unless there is a major showstopper the release IS going to happen on time. FYI... Having been around since '04 if you are uncomfortable with change then stick with LTS releases, IMHO intermediate releases are for "development" this may not agree with the official policy but proves to be true very often.

And finally, there needs to be a classic Ubuntu spinoff. A lot of people are going to miss the original Gnome 2 desktop environment, and a lot of people aren't going to want to accept these changes, so better safe than sorry with that one, too!

Maybe this new spinoff can take small, yet gradual steps to Unity over the process of the project, merging back with Ubuntu after say.... 4 years? This will help Mark Shuttleworth achieve his plan of 200,000,000 users in 4 years, as it will appear to a larger, broader crowd.Meh? To each his own.. admirable objective!

What do you people reading this think?They stopped paying me to think years ago... I'm just having fun now.

linuxuser12345 said: Coming with 11.10, we seriously need a "downgrade" option in the update manager. This would solve so many people's problems without causing them all the hassle of backing up their files, then just reinstalling their files. This is a must.

Also, Ubuntu 11.10 should stay in Beta stage for a longer time, to give the developers time to adjust to the glitches and fix them. I think everyone here got a bit pissed seeing all the new glitches in 11.04! And if it is still too glitchy by the time it is supposed to be released, hold it back 3 weeks or so! Better safe than sorry!

Also, the Unity dock should have a theming option.

And finally, there needs to be a classic Ubuntu spinoff. A lot of people are going to miss the original Gnome 2 desktop environment, and a lot of people aren't going to want to accept these changes, so better safe than sorry with that one, too! Maybe this new spinoff can take small, yet gradual steps to Unity over the process of the project, merging back with Ubuntu after say.... 4 years? This will help Mark Shuttleworth achieve his plan of 200,000,000 users in 4 years, as it will appear to a larger, broader crowd.

What do you people reading this think?

I think that the LTS Releases are the ones to stick with, all other releases are experimental, and Ubuntu using those inbetween releases to experiment.

The next LTS may not have Unity in it, unless it becomes much much more stable.

Those of you complaining about the Gnome 2 interface, Gnome 3 at this time still includes a Gnome Panel 3. While it will not be installed by default in Ubuntu 11.10, it will still be in the repositories.

Unfortunately, many of the custom applets people had have not been ported to the new Gnome Panel yet.

KrazyPenguin said: I think that the LTS Releases are the ones to stick with, all other releases are experimental

The main web page needs a big change then to push the LTS almost exclusively. I for one think that would take away the biggest reason to use Ubuntu over Debian, and would be against that change. I like the release cycle, we just needed more resources on the basics, and to hold Unity off until ready.

linuxuser12345 said: Coming with 11.10, we seriously need a "downgrade" option in the update manager. This would solve so many people's problems without causing them all the hassle of backing up their files, then just reinstalling their files. This is a must.

That's being worked on as part of the btrfs integration in update-manager. Considering that btrfs is still considered experimental and doesn't even have a usable btrfsck tool (should be out this year though), I don't think we'll see too much of that before 12.10, it's too unstable for a LTS. (I wrote a blog post here about my btrfs experience in natty)

linuxuser12345 said: And finally, there needs to be a classic Ubuntu spinoff. A lot of people are going to miss the original Gnome 2 desktop environment, and a lot of people aren't going to want to accept these changes, so better safe than sorry with that one, too!

From what I heard gnome3 will have a panel as a fallback option too, and software that is shipped by default in ubuntu needs to be supported upstream, which won't be the case for gnome2 now that gnome3 is out. So while that sounds interesting as a community project, I doubt you'll get a classic version from canonical. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

teachop said: The main web page needs a big change then to push the LTS almost exclusively. I for one think that would take away the biggest reason to use Ubuntu over Debian, and would be against that change. I like the release cycle, we just needed more resources on the basics, and to hold Unity off until ready.

I like the release cycle too, but 11.04 was so buggy for me i am still using 10.04 without any problems at all.

I need stability and productivity over bleeding edge. Things need to sync easily between devices, and ubuntu one ain't doing it for me.

This is what turns me on: google email, google contacts, dropbox, google calendar, evernote, ourgroceries

What do they have in common??? syncing

Now I have productivity office in the palm of my hand I can stick it in my pocket, and use it across devices and platforms, and share what I want to share with other users.

11.04 didn't do that, and I don't see 11.10 doing that, but I see other companies like google doing this.

And you can make an argument like , "hey what happens if the internet goes down, then you can't use it". That is why the "good" cloud apps allow you to work on your devices and then sync when they find a connection.

Honestly, it is like Android is driving a car and when the little green robot looks in the rear view mirrow, he sees ubuntu back there with windblows. lol

You want to get it right, you need to see what consumers want, what is selling hot right now, and how to improve on it.

;-)

KrazyPenguin said: You want to get it right, you need to see what consumers want, what is selling hot right now, and how to improve on it.

Android is a great phone OS, I have a droid x (my son was an engineer on the droid x team) and love it. Ubuntu is great computer OS. They are different things. If we get confused and try to make them the same thing, we will ruin the computer OS.

Maybe a Gnome 3 edition specifically customized to look like Gnome 2.

arpanaut said:

They stopped paying me to think years ago... I'm just having fun now.

lol! :D

teachop said: Android is a great phone OS, I have a droid x (my son was an engineer on the droid x team) and love it. Ubuntu is great computer OS. They are different things. If we get confused and try to make them the same thing, we will ruin the computer OS.

That is one of the reasons I am a little upset with the new Mac OS X release to be coming soon. They are making it *too* much like iOS.

KrazyPenguin said: Honestly, it is like Android is driving a car and when the little green robot looks in the rear view mirrow, he sees ubuntu back there with windblows. lol

Maybe in your opinion. If I had to work on nothing but Android, I would seriously need to consider doing myself harm. It's nice to use it in short, convenient bursts. It is lousy to use for extended periods. It is absolutely NOT suited for my regular daily computing habits. For me, a full-featured desktop OS still blows Android off the landscape.

It is absolutely NOT suited for my regular daily computing habits. For me, a full-featured desktop OS still blows Android off the landscape.

There's some truth to what you're saying but a lot of the issue is apps: there are zillions of apps for iPhone/android but they are not targeted for "use this as a replacement for your desktop computer". You can run your iphone/android with a bluetooth keyboard and a large screen (micro projector) but there is still no gnumeric, no libreOffice Draw, etc etc.

When you don't have the apps you want, it doesn't matter whether your OS-level capabilities are good. (launching apps, switching between apps, drag and drop between apps, whatever)

screaminj3sus said: I don't think the "classic" edition with gnome 2 would be very sensible, since gnome 3 is out and gnome 2 will be deprecated. A gnome 3 edition would be nice though.

It is possible to downgrade. It is very risky and not something I would be very comfortable doing in an automated way.

For that matter, as a lover of apt-get for upgrades and very little experience with aptitude, I think that if I were to downgrade it would be with aptitude.

Each regular release is a snapshot of what is happening in the development of the next Ubuntu LTS and the next Debian testing. Basically what is going on in Debian unstable and what the Ubuntu devs want to do with it.

Sid (Debian unstable) is fairly fast moving and downgrading is tough. Kind of like finally getting to the top of a very slippery, steep hill and deciding to take a different path down but do it backwards. Always thrilling but many time painful.

+1 for spinoff whit gnome 3