Lubuntu 12.04

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• [COLOR=Blue]_[SIZE=5]First thing first:[/SIZE]_[/COLOR]

• Please be informed that Lubuntu 12.04 is NOT going to be a Long Term Support (LTS) Release.
• From: Julien Lavergne Head of Lubuntu Developers explaining "why" Lubuntu 12.04 will NOT be LTS Release:

LTS :

Again, it's not a choice which depends on the users, but a decision made by the developers. Of course I would like to be LTS, like I would like to buy an expensive car. [COLOR=Red]The fact is, we can't.[/COLOR] And even if we try, it could be so expensive that it will block us to do new cool stuff, because we have to maintain 12.04.

• > You can now follow the progress of Lubuntu development on status.ubuntu.com.
• [COLOR=Red]Usually, Developers do _NOT_ look at Forums, however they do check Launchpad daily. So please, if you have a problem/bug OR you want to see something new OR you want to change a current settings, etc ... and you want the Developers to look at it, PLEASE USE LAUNCHPAD.[/COLOR]

• [COLOR=Blue]_[SIZE=5]Introduction:[/SIZE]_[/COLOR]

• Lubuntu 12.04 is the next release which is expected to arrive on April 26th, 2012. It's currently under development and this thread was created to discuss the future of this release.
• Please start your own thread here in case you have a question or problem regarding Lubuntu 12.04. Please, stick to this thread topics.

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• [COLOR=Blue][U][SIZE=5][B]Discussion Topics:
• What do you expect from Lubuntu 12.04?
• What applications you want to see in Lubuntu 12.04?
• What do you think will improve Lubuntu 12.04 and make it better than any other release?
• What things you DO NOT want to see or have on Lubuntu 12.04?
• Whatever in your mind and you'd like to share it, please do :)

From Lubuntu Developers:

• _[COLOR=Blue][SIZE=5]Blueprints:[/SIZE][/COLOR]_

Could you please add the 2 blueprints to the thread, so people will have of the information to participate ?https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-optimizations

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience

This section will be updated as soon as there is some new updates regarding Lubuntu 12.04 development and news.

• [SIZE=5]_[COLOR=Blue]Lubuntu 12.04 Updates:[/COLOR]_[/SIZE]

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ContactUs

• [SIZE=5]_[COLOR=Blue]Contact Lubuntu:[/COLOR]_[/SIZE]

1. It works and is 'slim'. Pretty much what xubuntu used to be, the lightweight, easy and fast ubuntu OS (I'm not saying xubuntu isn't fast, just that lubuntu has taken its place as fastest ubuntu version IMHO).

Basically I plan on using it for older computers, and what mostly matters is browser+internet works. For people with older laptops that are about to throw out (usually due to very slow hdd), put liveusb on $10 usb stick, and they have fast+secure OS +web browser. Which is what they use computer for 95% of time.

1. Hmm, not sure on apps. I mostly use it for web browser. Make sure everything that involves web browsing works (wireless, flash, java?).

Is screensaver enabled by default? Disable it by default. I think it runs after like 5(10?) minutes? One of the first thing I do with any OS, and just tell monitor/screen to shut off after 10-15 minutes to save power. Screensavers are so 1990s.

1. Not sure ATM. Keep it simple, don't add crap or lots of startup services.

1. Make sure to keep the livecd/liveusb startup options #1 as "try lubuntu". DO NOT CHANGE TO UBUNTU DEFAULT THAT LOADS "OS" AND THEN ASKS WHETHER TO TRY OR INSTALL, then loads OS again. This makes it real easy to put on liveusb and plug into laptop and have users use it and have it load OS without having to select try or install. I have it set to open web browser, so all user has to do is turn on computer and in 2 minutes their web browser and internet is up and running without having to do anything (from liveusb).

1. One reason why I havn't installed lubuntu on my 10.10 nettop is because I'm not sure how easy it supports file sharing over network. I have it networked with my main desktop to move/share files between computers. Also acted as a print server, but that is not currently working. Not sure how well it will work with printer (but I'm sure it will). Since 10.10 uses firefox 3.6, it was just easier to install chrome 14 from repository than the hassle of reinstalling OS and making sure networking file sharing and printer worked.

Most important thing: dont make it any bigger than it already is. Its designed for older machines and if it gets any bigger it wont work.

Also, what happened to the LXDE forums and the Lubuntu main page???

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Hi,

First of all, please be informed that [COLOR=Navy]Lubuntu 12.04[/COLOR] will not be Long Term Support (LTS) release. Ubuntu 12.04 will be LTS though.

Long story short:

• What do you expect from Lubuntu 12.04?
• What applications you want to see in Lubuntu 12.04?
• What do you think will improve Lubuntu 12.04 and make it better than any other release?
• What things you DO NOT want to see or have on Lubuntu 12.04?
• Whatever in your mind and you'd like to share it, please do :)

Thank you!

• A nice, stable LXDE desktop experience. Obviously, that's underway :)

• The current default applications are quite good. But, I'd really like seeing a custom Chromium theme to integrate nicer with the rest of the LXDE desktop. It does not look native in 11.10.

• Desktop polish. The current desktop design and theme looks too depressing and plain. LXDE can be made to look quite great, so I'd really focus on redoing the artwork and giving Lubuntu a more unique and modern feel. Just because it's a lightweight DE doesn't mean it cannot look and feel great ;)

• Nothing I can think of. Just keep it minimal like it currently is.

• Overall, LXDE is a promising desktop. Lubuntu is a pretty good distro overall, but for me it's still not quite ready. It lacks a sort of polish and functionality compared to other DE's. There are also some UI issues, such as LXDE not automatically expanding the icon size to fit the panel height. That's more upstream, but it does do damage to Lubuntu overall.

Keep up the work. Lubuntu's a great distro and I hope it keeps progressing.

@amjjawad - really appreciate the energy you're giving to community building for Lubuntu: so valuable, so worthwhile!

amjjawad said:

• What do you expect from Lubuntu 12.04?
• What applications you want to see in Lubuntu 12.04?
• What do you think will improve Lubuntu 12.04 and make it better than any other release?
• What things you DO NOT want to see or have on Lubuntu 12.04?
• Whatever in your mind and you'd like to share it, please do :)

#1 + #4 = Expect Lubuntu to remain FIRMLY committed to small, light; so do NOT want to see BLOAT or FEATURE CREEP.

#3 - A slightly more thoughtful (?) font selection. Would love to see some excellent Unicode fonts (e.g. Gentium Plus would be wonderful, also could use good Hebrew font, e.g. Ezra SIL).

amjjawad said: Thank you!

No, thank you!

Not sure I understand you regarding lts. Will Lubuntu have just 3 years lts or no lts at all? Lubuntu is great. I would say just keep it simple. The icons could use a makeover, and perhaps a few more LXDE/Lubuntu theme wallpapers. I like that even though it is a lightweight desktop, I can still add whatever software I like from Synaptic Package Manager, such as LibreOffice. I do notice that from live usb--and it is this way with all the buntus from usb--Firefox will not launch from anywhere except terminal. I can install Chromium and it works fine from usb, but Firefox comes pre-installed but won't launch. Lubuntu, Unlike Ubuntu or Kubuntu, will load nicely from live usb. It takes up to 8 minutes to get Ubuntu or Kubuntu to load from live usb. Please don't mess up Lubuntu regarding the loader. My best wishes for Lubuntu. KBD47 PS--call me old fashioned but I like the screensavers :-)

Background. I start to dislike Gnome3 and Unity, after using it since Ubuntu Natty-beta then Oneiric-alpha onwards. Recently I ventured into Xubuntu and Lubuntu, I like the "efficiency and speed". fyi: I have various graphics hardware running nvidia-current, fglrx and radeon

I briefly tried Debian, Sabayon, ArchBang and CrunchBang; they have Openbox/LXDE on LiveCD. I say "briefly" because it was difficult to proceed after installation, difficult to find the extra applications, find pkg-names, find repos that I wanted: to find broadcom or video drivers and so on. I came back to Ubuntu, Xubuntu and Lubuntu because of sheer convenience.

May I suggest some features I found in Archbang and Crunchbang LiveCD (Openbox): viz. the key-bindings and menus on the desktop: super+w started the browser, super+f started the file manager and so on. I have not found sufficient documentation or been confused by the little I found, as to what to modify, which file to modify; to set-up these key-binding and menus.

I am using Xubuntu right now, which has some GUI config tools allowing for customisation of panel, menus; meantime still searching for how to customise Openbox, LXDE and Lubuntu. I don't mind non-GUI setup like editing rc files; but my confusion and lack of documentation discouraged me. If anyone can point out some "easy to read" documentation I will experiment further on Lubuntu. I have searched ArchWiki and LXDE.org but still have not understood enough or missed something.

Hope my comments make sense. I do think LXDE is nice and light. Thanks, rabbits

1. Having used both Firefox and Chromium, for me, Firefox hands down. Bookmarks are a mess on Chromium. I've got several pages worth, and "bookmark tabs" are useless. Now there have been Firefox versions like Swiftfox and Minefield that are a bit faster and less disk space. For compatibility of bookmarks with my faster pc, it's a real pain on Chromium to copy in Firefox's default bookmarks file, let alone export Chromium's to Firefox.

1. Flash video is essential.

1. Low overhead. Put Compiz back on the shelf. Compiz and Ubiquity must win the prize on most Launchpad bugs, and Compiz uses up tons of pc cycles even when I'm in full screen application mode. I use Unity-2D to get rid of Compiz on Ocelot and Pangolin.

1. Network browse & file transfer. I do transfer files and pictures over the home network to my wife's XP's. She supports a couple websites. One of the tools she uses is Dreamweaver, a $$ product not available on linux.

1. Libre Office write. I'm used to copying combined text, graphics, pictures from the internet on health, politics, etc. and have had poor luck with Abiword.

Now I don't need all those extra Libre Office applications like Impress etc. I do use Libre Office calc but I can do that on my tower.

1. Fast boot & shutdown. I don't leave pc's running when I'm not using them. I may log on 3 or 4 times a day, booting each time, and of course restart to check latest update functioning.

1. Synaptic and gparted I can load when I need them.

1. LTS doesn't mean much because I'm usually trying out the next development release (bruises all over). Right now Lynx LTS serves the purpose.

Good luck, I like choices.

Jerry

p.s. I occasionally use Tiny Core. Small, fast, runs in memory, Installs in a folder on an Ubuntu example /tinycore. But...doesn't do wireless. That's a killer.

Even though libreoffice not installed by default, make sure it works in lubuntu when it gets installed (maybe it does, I never tried). :)

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Hi,

First of all, please be informed that [COLOR=Navy]Lubuntu 12.04[/COLOR] will not be Long Term Support (LTS) release. Ubuntu 12.04 will be LTS though.

Long story short:

• What do you expect from Lubuntu 12.04?
• What applications you want to see in Lubuntu 12.04?
• What do you think will improve Lubuntu 12.04 and make it better than any other release?
• What things you DO NOT want to see or have on Lubuntu 12.04?
• Whatever in your mind and you'd like to share it, please do :)

Thank you!

1. A light, fast and stable linux distribution.
2. Same applications as usual, but make sure to use the latest versions.
3. Please include the Lubuntu Software center if it is ready.
4. There is nothing in particular that I don't want to see in Lubuntu 12.04
5. Good job on Lubuntu! Keep up the good work.

One thing I would like is the default Ozone Theme from Lu 11.04 to be available in the Openbox Config Manager.

To each their own, but that is the best looking theme I've ever seen on any distro. (And as you know, amjjawd, I liked it so much I made a matching Google Chrome theme.)

My biggest problem with Lubuntu at the moment is lxpanel. It's quite inconsistent. Padding on text and icon feels off. You can't change the font and font size in the panel etc.

Also, when will the LX applications switch to GTK3? Maybe lxpanel with CSS styling would be better. ;)

Just wanted to add that Lubuntu 11.10 needs a missing codec so that Pithos (a client for Pandora) will work. Ubuntu 11.10 is ready to work with Pithos as soon as the restricted extras are downloaded, but Lubuntu is missing something in the restricted extras. My guess is the alsamixer gstreamer, because when I download it and the good, bad, and ugly gstreamer codecs Pithos works fine in Lubuntu. Also wanted to add that gdebi is so freakin fast compared to Ubuntu Software Center for downloaded packages that I hope Lubuntu will never let the USC replace gdebi! KBD47

I miss just one thing in Lubuntu. Software Center.

rezbd said: I miss just one thing in Lubuntu. Software Center.

I actually don't miss it at all, but can't it be installed from synaptic package manager?

One other thing while I'm thinking about it--would be great to put power management on the applications menu, maybe under preferences. Most newbies are not going to know you r-click on the battery icon to access power settings for Lubuntu.

LarsKongo said: My biggest problem with Lubuntu at the moment is lxpanel. It's quite inconsistent. Padding on text and icon feels off. You can't change the font and font size in the panel etc.

Also, when will the LX applications switch to GTK3? Maybe lxpanel with CSS styling would be better. ;)

With your contribution will surely look better :)

rezbd said: I miss just one thing in Lubuntu. Software Center.

Check my signature > Lubuntu One Stop Thread > Post #1 > Section C >Lubuntu Official Guides *(FAQs - Guides) > *How to install Lubuntu Software Center (LSC)

Please keep in mind that LSC is still under development and it should be ready with 12.04.

KBD47 said: Just wanted to add that [COLOR=Red]Lubuntu 11.10[/COLOR] needs a missing codec so that Pithos (a client for Pandora) will work. Ubuntu 11.10 is ready to work with Pithos as soon as the restricted extras are downloaded, but Lubuntu is missing something in the restricted extras. My guess is the alsamixer gstreamer, because when I download it and the good, bad, and ugly gstreamer codecs Pithos works fine in Lubuntu.

Also wanted to add that gdebi is so freakin fast compared to Ubuntu Software Center for downloaded packages that I hope Lubuntu will never let the USC replace gdebi! KBD47

I think you mean Lubuntu 12.04? we are talking here about 12.04 future :P

Everyone:

Please, let's stick to the topic title. Let's talk about 12.04 ONLY as per my first post :)

If you have ANY issue with Lubuntu 11.10 or 11.04, please let me know. Either to post on my thread (Lubuntu One Stop Thread) or Start your own thread then PM me the link of your thread and I'll do my best to help :)

Thank you!

amjjawad said: I think you mean Lubuntu 12.04? we are talking here about 12.04 future :P

Yes, I'm making suggestions for upcoming 12.04 Lubuntu, suggestions to fix the gstreamer codecs that are missing for Pithos in the Lubuntu restricted extras, I'm guessing it is the alsamixer gstreamer that is missing because when I add it from synaptic package manager Pithos will work in Lubuntu. And please don't replace synaptic package manager or gdebi with Ubuntu Software Center in 12.04 unless you want Lubuntu to become a snail :-) KBD47

is it possible to include "Software Center" in Lubuntu 12.04 ?

rezbd said: is it possible to include "Software Center" in Lubuntu 12.04 ?

Well I just checked Lubuntu 11.10 synaptic package manager and software center is in there, but I have no idea whether it works well in Lubuntu or not. Maybe amjjawad or someone else can tell you. KBD47

andrewabc said: Even though libreoffice not installed by default, make sure it works in lubuntu when it gets installed (maybe it does, I never tried). :)

It works fine on 11.10. I have it installed on a copy of Lubuntu working off a USB stick with 'persistent storage'.

Given Lubuntu is aimed at lower power or older machines, I think Libreoffice should stay out of the default, but be installable easily.

KBD47 said: I actually don't miss it at all, but can't it be installed from synaptic package manager?

ah I didn't know that it would possible to install in synaptic manager :P thanks. gonna try it :)

rezbd said: ah I didn't know that it would possible to install in synaptic manager :P thanks. gonna try it :)

Why to wait for someone to confirm that? one needs to try that him/her self :) This is what I do on daily basis. Yes, I used to do the same, wait for someone to confirm whether this will work or not but I refuse to do that ... it just doesn't work with me any more ... I have unleashed my learning abilities and nothing will stop me now from learning each and everything about Lubuntu and Linux in general and so do you and everyone else :)

Soon, you'll understand what I'm talking about :P

rezbd said: is it possible to include "Software Center" in Lubuntu 12.04 ?

Check Post #18 If everything goes as planned, LSC will be included by default with Lubuntu 12.04. If you can't wait, you can go a head and install it now on Lubuntu 11.10. On Post #18, you'll find more information.

:)

KBD47 said: Well I just checked Lubuntu 11.10 synaptic package manager and software center is in there, but I have no idea whether it works well in Lubuntu or not. Maybe amjjawad or someone else can tell you.

KBD47

It works fine. I have downloaded it and have been installing packages from it.

Lubuntu is perfect and works really well... my only recommendations would be:

1. include Lubuntu Software Centre once it's finished

1. maybe replace Chromium with Firefox as firefox is still better memory wise

1. ndiswrapper and ndisgtk on live cd for anyone who has troubles with wireless/networking drivers

Thanks for a great Os...

amjjawad said: If everything goes as planned, LSC will be included by default

included or default?

If included: ah, ok. If default: http://nooooooooooooooo.com

tartalo said: included or default?

If included: ah, ok. If default: http://nooooooooooooooo.com

amjjawad said: Check Post #18

If everything goes as planned, LSC will be included by default with Lubuntu 12.04.

The developers decided to wait until 12.04 to include Lubuntu Software Center. I'm not sure if that will replace Synaptic or not? too early to talk about that but what I'm sure about is the application, LSC, is currently under development.

What I meant by "LSC will be included by default" is: you don't need to install it after you are done with Lubuntu 12.04 installation, it will be there by default installed with Lubuntu 12.04 itself.

Hope that's clear now :)

keithpeter said: It works fine on 11.10. I have it installed on a copy of Lubuntu working off a USB stick with 'persistent storage'.

Given Lubuntu is aimed at lower power or older machines, I think Libreoffice should stay out of the default, but be installable easily.

That is what I meant. :)

I don't think libreoffice should be installed by default, just that people should try installing it to make sure it works throughout development. :)

For people with a bit faster computers, or like me 1 fast computer (win7), 1 slow computer (ubuntu), it is easier to have libreoffice installed on both when transferring documents between machines.

Rex Bouwense said: It works fine. I have downloaded it and have been installing packages from it.

just installed Software Center. It's working here too :)

I don't see any sub-forum for Lubuntu in this Ubuntu forum. Does it exist?

rezbd said: I don't see any sub-forum for Lubuntu in this Ubuntu forum. Does it exist?

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu#Lubuntu_on_the_Ubuntu_Forums

Nothing personal but would you please keep your comment related to Lubuntu 12.04 topic? This will make it easier for the developer to follow up with each and very post. If you noticed, I don't post here much because that will create more unneeded posts and that means more time for the developers to follow up. I have sent this thread to ALL Lubuntu Team last night because I want them to have a look at users feedback.

Please, don't take that as an insult. Everyone is free to ask but let's do it right. Such questions has specific places. If you are confused about anything, PM me any time and it's my pleasure to help and redirect you to the correct channel :)

Thanks for your understanding :)

As a home user I have set up Lubuntu 11.10 on different system configurations - from atom cpus to i7s, because i find it lean and scalable and this keeps maintenance and modifications simple. So for 12.04 I would like more of the same. I am opposed to juggling default packages and adding bloat. I'd like Lubuntu to be the leanest, meanest 12.04 *buntu

1. More of the same. Light, fast, stable, configurable. Don't add more features...just bug-fixes.
2. No additional apps needed. I'll install what I need. But firefox and libreoffice-gtk need to work well.
3. Bug-fixes...apps updated to the latest versions...that's about it. It's already the best!
4. Don't need the software centre...options that can only be configured by gui...a new desktop paradigm.
5. Lubuntu is great already! It's stable...simple...and lets me get work done.

KBD47 said: One other thing while I'm thinking about it--would be great to put power management on the applications menu, maybe under preferences. Most newbies are not going to know you r-click on the battery icon to access power settings for Lubuntu.

+1. To access Power Management, I have to unplug my computer so the battery icon appears so I can right-click it and select Preferences. Why I have to do this is beyond me.

From Lubuntu Developers:

Could you please add the 2 blueprints to the thread, so people will have of the information to participate ?

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-optimizations

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience

Post #1 updated.

I have been madly in love with Firefox since my Microsoft Windows days so I too would like to see it as the default browser but since it is easy to uninstall Chromium and install Firefox, it is no big deal. I would take all the games off of the default install. They too are easy to install if you want them. I use Thunderbird but once again it is easy to install so no big deal. A trash can installed by default, other than the one in the windows manager, for those people who are computer challenged like me. I'm sure that I can think of more, but those are off the top of my head.

Rex Bouwense said: I have been madly in love with Firefox since my Microsoft Windows days so I too would like to see it as the default browser but since it is easy to uninstall Chromium and install Firefox, it is no big deal.

I would take all the games off of the default install. They too are easy to install if you want them. I use Thunderbird but once again it is easy to install so no big deal. A trash can installed by default, other than the one in the windows manager, for those people who are computer challenged like me. I'm sure that I can think of more, but those are off the top of my head.

I usually keep both Firefox and Chromium. I find Chrome/Chromium a bit lighter and faster than Firefox, which fits in good with Lubuntu, and I like having Chromium as the default, especially as I've had trouble with Firefox not launching when using all the Buntus from live usb, but Chromium will launch. The only way I could get Firefox to launch on live usb is from a terminal.

I like this

Theme optimization

Re-work the theme by default to be super-fast (stay with clearloooks and adwaita ?) Keep a beautiful theme but not by default

I would recommend installing Gnome Screenshot in the default package. Pretty much every distro I've ever used comes with an easy to use screenshot app, Lubuntu 12.04 should have one IMO.

KBD47 said: I would recommend installing Gnome Screenshot in the default package. Pretty much every distro I've ever used comes with an easy to use screenshot app, Lubuntu 12.04 should have one IMO.

Lubuntu has scrot.

whatthefunk said: Lubuntu has scrot.

Yes. Scrot works great for my needs. Push one button ('Print Screen') and you have a screenshot in your home directory. What could be simpler (or lighter)?

The only addition I think I would like to see is to make the desktop space appearance something of substance that merits a "wow factor" without sacrificing function or speed or resources. Other distros do quite well with the initial desktop after install and one of them is Peppermint. I'm not at all asking for a copy of any other distro, but a look around for some artistic touches besides the more bland shades of blue we see currently could certainly make a fantastic first impression.

I'm very impressed with Lubuntu. Not much can touch it in terms of speed and function while consuming very few resources. I like having office apps that aren't just Libre Office so long as Libre is available to install as an option. I do use it personally, but users on a lightweight OS may want that to be optional and minimize ISO size and post-install disk space usage.

Lastly, just keep up the awesome work this derivative has become. It merits every bit of praise it receives and keeps improving with each release. Job well done.

I'm curious how hard it would be to put a volume indicator on Lubuntu 12.04? There is already a message notifier that tells me when a new song, or email, or battery, etc. Would be nice have a volume indicator to show when volume is being turned up or down and where the level is at.

http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/2011-11-01/

From Lubuntu Developers - Through Mailing List https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop

Hi,

This is a summary of the points we discussed during the session at UDS. It's a list of points I planned to implement for the next cycle :

• Lightdm enable by default for Alpha 1
• Multi-screen configuration : not easy to configure with lxrandr. Solution : Extend lxsession to accept configuration from other utility like arandr.
• Lxsession options / services : Add possibility to configure applications by default, and to enable them or not (screensaver, power-management ...)
• lubuntu-software-center : Add by default, but keep synaptic.

I may have more time to do more items, but I can't guaranty it. You can find the list of other possible items on the blueprint : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience

If anyone have questions or concerns, please send a mail to the mailing. We have another session this afternoon, so we can discuss those topics during it.

The plan is to close the discussions on main changes during the week of the UDS, to start working earlier on those items.

If you would like to receive such emails, you can join Lubuntu on Launchpad. As far as I can tell, not only members of Lubuntu team and developers but also users are subscribed to the mailing list.

There is a need for a presentation application to match abiword and gnumeric. At least an app like PowerPoint Viewer.

stavrosLinux said: There is a need for a presentation application to match abiword and gnumeric. At least an app like PowerPoint Viewer.

You can add one yourself after install.

Id like to see the number of default apps kept to a minimum to keep the resource usage to a minimum.

First of all THANK YOU for Lubuntu.

Here is what I would like to see in Lubuntu

1) Font setting dialog for LX Panel

2) Weather Applet for LX Panel (like the one in xfce)

3) Easily configurable Panel Clock (as in xfce without have to enter %a %n etc.,)

4) Use default theme for Openbox and gtk (clearlooks). It actually makes the system more responsive and reduces memory foot print

5) As much as possible remove all gnome/xfce dependencies (without removing gnome-system-tools) from the distribution

6) I don't know if any one really uses apparmor/selinux on desktop systems. If possible provide a way to disable them during install.

7) Plymouth themes take much time to load during system boot. just keep plymouth-text-theme theme which is faster.

whatthefunk said: You can add one yourself after install.

Id like to see the number of default apps kept to a minimum to keep the resource usage to a minimum.

sure, can u name one?

1. What do you expect from Lubuntu 12.04? From Lubuntu 12.04 I expect that the system would be used only for simplicity. Put only the programs installed that are using less memory resources. It does not need to be that we have programs that also the other distros in the Ubuntu family has. Just keep it simple as I do believe that there are users that would also give the opportunity to install their own favorite programs.
2. What applications you want to see in Lubuntu 12.04? Applications such like the auto-login function. If possible if this can work by default by not going to techie on it. Looking at Linux Mint lxde they have this option already at the panel. Also startlaunchers on the desktop would do great instead of the basic panels as now. More in the trend of Idock.
3. What do you think will improve Lubuntu 12.04 and make it better than any other release? If only can work on the speed and not give the option to the users what they really want to use. The minimal basic installation like a browser, email program and music player should work fine already. Have a peak at BodhiLinux where the option is for the users to choose out what they needed. Specially look at the Basic Installation.
4. What things you DO NOT want to see or have on Lubuntu 12.04? Anything that has less to do with Gnome or any other system. It should be plain from LXDE or less resource hungry on memory.
5. Whatever in your mind and you'd like to share it, please do. Try where possible to have the Lubuntu 12.04 as minimal as possible. Do not go and copy as from the other Ubuntu distros. If possible only a minimal and give the option to the users who will then decide with suits best for them as program.

jerrylamos said:

1. Low overhead. Put Compiz back on the shelf. Compiz and Ubiquity must win the prize on most Launchpad bugs, and Compiz uses up tons of pc cycles even when I'm in full screen application mode. I use Unity-2D to get rid of Compiz on Ocelot and Pangolin.

I beg to differ.

Many people are used to Gnome 2 + Compiz, and taking Compiz out of the equation will probably have an effect on the expansion of Lubuntu.

It can be left off by default, that's fine (I'd prefer it on, but that's just my opinion). But remove it all the way? Big mistake. Instead, work into a correct integration and leave the option for people to use it or not.

whatthefunk said: You can add one yourself after install.

Id like to see the number of default apps kept to a minimum to keep the resource usage to a minimum. Quite right. The purpose of Lubuntu is to be a light install suitable for older hardware.

While this is not a problem for me with my hardware I have some boxes that will need that now.

This goes for a lot of the good suggestions here. Eye candy eats resources. There is a lot of it available out there. Add some if you miss it. I certainly do on this box.

There are a lot of things that I would like to see in Lubuntu, like the stackable launchers used by xfce for the panel. These things take resources. Just leave them out.

So far biggest missing function for me is:

Browse Network

Any way to get that function short of installing Nautilus?

I've got an older pc in the back room I'd like to copy some stuff over the network from my faster tower. Likewise I'd like to copy some notes and emails from the older pc to the tower.

Thanks, Jerry

jerrylamos said: Any way to get that function short of installing Nautilus?

I think if Nautilus works PCManFM should work. The gvfs-backends package may have to be installed first, it's recommended by the pcmanfm package, but if it wasn't included in Lubuntu out of the box, it won't get pulled in automatically unless something happens that causes the package to be seen by the package management system as a new package.

Later, Seeker

First of all, please be informed that Lubuntu 12.04 will not be Long Term Support (LTS) release. Ubuntu 12.04 will be LTS though.

This disappoints me, because Lubuntu and Fedora LXDE Spin are the only Linux distros that I find usable, but Lubuntu's significant advantage is the possibility of LTS.

What do you expect from Lubuntu 12.04?

A menu editor. This is a general deficiency with LXDE. A better tool for keyboard language-switching. Right now, I hack setxkbmap scripts into the menu. A means to launch scripts from the context menu (like nautilus-scripts). Built-in tool to disable the touchpad of a laptop. (E.g. gpointing-device-settings.) Better theming customization. I think a stable tool, or much better documentation is needed. Or both!

What applications you want to see in Lubuntu 12.04?

I would be thrilled to see the above comments implemented in 12.04. In addition, a better editor than Leafpad. I can add the other things that I find useful, such as conky, lm_sensors, Libre Office, and Firefox.

What do you think will improve Lubuntu 12.04 and make it better than any other release?

In addition to the above... The default style of the lxpanel should make the icons and text clear. I make the lxpanel black and the text light blue.

What things you DO NOT want to see or have on Lubuntu 12.04?

Personal preferences: I do not like Chrome and Abiword. I find Leafpad weak.

Whatever in your mind and you'd like to share it, please do

Lubuntu has the qualities to become the best distro. It's faster than the other *buntus, more efficient, themes are exportable and importable, and there's the Canonical infrastructure behind it. Given where Gnome and KDE are going, I wouldn't be using a Canonical distro at all if not for Lubuntu.

:) 1.office 2.useful text tool with view.like notpad++

ljking2009 said: :)

1.office 2.useful text tool with view.like notpad++

Hello and Welcome to Ubuntu Forum :)

Please see this link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1844755

As a new member on this forum, that link will help you to understand more about Lubuntu.

By the way, I just hope you do NOT mean MS Office :P

I also think that Abiword should be dropped. That program is worthless. Unfortunately, its the best of the light Office programs.

Windows should be automatically grouped.Power saving is an important facet and Lubuntu can work on that feature giving the users more information about their usage patterns and how they shall be able to save power on their systems.

whatthefunk said: I also think that Abiword should be dropped. That program is worthless. Unfortunately, its the best of the light Office programs.

It may depend on the use.Undoubtedly i may prefer using LibreOffice when dealing with something official,but for personal purposes,i have found AbiWord very useful.Especially since it is quick!!

nipunreddevil said: It may depend on the use.Undoubtedly i may prefer using LibreOffice when dealing with something official,but for personal purposes,i have found AbiWord very useful.Especially since it is quick!!

I use LibreOffice when copying from the internet mixed text, graphics, and pictures. Last time I tried that with AbiWord I had to download each separately and then stitch them back together...........

Jerry

LibreOffice - I'd appreciate a download that was just Write. I rarely use Calc except quarterly for income tax, and never never use Impress and .....

Jerry

Using synaptic package manager I did install just Writer, but it brought math and probably the core package with it, though I don't see the other programs. Writer works fine. KBD47

May I remind everyone that the purpose of this thread is to send our suggestions to the developer of Lubuntu and keeping it as short and as organized as possible is very important :)

Thank you so much for your understanding!

nipunreddevil said: It may depend on the use.Undoubtedly i may prefer using LibreOffice when dealing with something official,but for personal purposes,i have found AbiWord very useful.Especially since it is quick!!

I also prefer LibreOffice but it is resource intensive and therefore should not be default in Lubuntu. As I said, unfortunately, Abiword is the best of the lighwteight office programs.

I keep thinking how important it could become for a LTS release of Lubuntu next Spring. Lubuntu will be the only one in the Buntu family without an LTS release. If Linux Mint stays with the Ubuntu release for LXDE then they will have it as an LTS release next Spring with 5 years of support. If they base it on Debian it will be a rolling release that never needs to be re-installed. Why would this matter? Besides being very fast and running well on new hardware, LXDE is ideal for older hardware, and once installed and running well I can't see many distro-hoppers or people wanting to do fresh installs on old hardware, for those people a Mint LTS or rolling release Debian would have to be very tempting. This would not be an issue if the Ubuntu upgrades actually worked and were useful. I've checked the forums when new releases come out and people click on that upgrade window, and it does not work well to say the least. If it were possible to make very smooth upgrades between Lubuntu releases, I would say focus on that more, if not, please give serious consideration to an LTS release of Lubuntu. Honesty compels me to admit I will be looking hard at Mint LXDE next Spring, I'm pretty much done distro-hopping and ready to leave some dual-boot OS's on my machine. And upgrades don't interest me based on what I've seen. I apologize for this being so long, but I think it deserves serious consideration. If it comes to it, and there just are not resources, I'd encourage dropping the upgrade option for Lubuntu and focus on LTS release, at least for a 3 year LTS. KBD47

andrewabc said: Even though libreoffice not installed by default, make sure it works in lubuntu when it gets installed (maybe it does, I never tried). :)

Hi all,

I am a Lubuntu user and I love it and my netbook love it. Using 11.10.

+1 with Libreoffice. I write a lot, and I preferred Libreoffice than Abiword. Right now the is a problem with Libreoffice and Lxde taskbar, if you open multiple libreoffice files, the taskbar crash and the Lxpanel freezes. There is already discussed in the bug section https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/806663

Right now, to avoid this, I have the Taskbar disable.

Oh and check why in 11.10 the shutdown takes longer than the previous releases, I mean it is not painful, but I miss the 4-5 seconds shutdown, and now we have 10-15 :)

Thanks for everything and keep the good work

P.S. Forgive my spelling, English is not my main language.

+1 Original Lubuntu theme - Preference.

+1 LibreOffice: As part of the official Ubuntu family, a priority should be "user friendliness". Ubuntu is all about the easy switch from Mac/Windows. The more "plug and go" the better, and this includes providing essentials, which I believe office to be. It should be default AT LEAST until there is Software Centre.

+1 Volume Control default: Same reason as LibreOffice. The less terminal use/learning curve the better.

+ It also seemed to me that Lubuntu came with a TON of games for some reason. I assume they are all tiny, but it still seems counter-intuitive to the goal.

Thanks, Lubuntu is great.

BossDj said: +1 LibreOffice: As part of the official Ubuntu family, a priority should be "user friendliness". Ubuntu is all about the easy switch from Mac/Windows. The more "plug and go" the better, and this includes providing essentials, which I believe office to be. It should be default AT LEAST until there is Software Centre.

LibreOffice cannot be default as it wont run on many computers with old hardware. On my laptop, which has only 256 RAM, LibreOffice runs too slow to be useful. It is very easy to install LibreOffice and take off Abiword and you dont need Software Center to do it. Synaptic Package Manger can do it just as well as anything else.

whatthefunk said: LibreOffice cannot be default as it wont run on many computers with old hardware. On my laptop, which has only 256 RAM, LibreOffice runs too slow to be useful. It is very easy to install LibreOffice and take off Abiword and you dont need Software Center to do it. Synaptic Package Manger can do it just as well as anything else.

You might have to install Synaptic too. No big deal, you just add it to the list of things to do after install such as flash, turning off screen lock, turning off update (I Update when I want to and don't want a big fat screen window interrupt from Update which has killed my installs several times). I'm not sure if a new user would know all this tho.

Among other things Synaptic is useful for removing disk hogs such as old linux-image-generic-xxx and headers. Update process is supposed to do but doesn't frequently.

Jerry

Synaptic is default.

I agree on the update thing though Jerry...my god is that annoying.

jerrylamos said: turning off update (I Update when I want to and don't want a big fat screen window interrupt from Update which has killed my installs several times). I'm not sure if a new user would know all this tho.

Please, don't suggest that to [COLOR=Red]NEW[/COLOR] Users. Updating Notifier does exist for a reason. If you are experienced enough and you do know how to update your system then that's really good but with new users, imagine the mess.

Thank you :)

P.S. Synaptic will be installed by default as of today. Hopefully LSC (Lubuntu Software Center) will be ready by that time too.

amjjawad said: Please, don't suggest that to [COLOR=Red]NEW[/COLOR] Users. Updating Notifier does exist for a reason. If you are experienced enough and you do know how to update your system then that's really good but with new users, imagine the mess.

Thank you :)

P.S. Synaptic will be installed by default as of today. Hopefully LSC (Lubuntu Software Center) will be ready by that time too.

My concern is the upgrade notifier. I turned this off on my wife's computer. How many newbies have wrecked their computers with upgrades? :( PS--synaptic package manager and gdebi are the best things since sliced bread :-) I could live happily the rest of my life without ever using ubuntu software center. KBD47

KBD47 said: My concern is the upgrade notifier. I turned this off on my wife's computer. How many newbies have wrecked their computers with upgrades? :(

Sorry if my post wasn't clear :) Actually, I was talking about the regular update not upgrade. That one for "upgrade" I dislike it too. but for update, it's a must IMHO.

amjjawad said: Sorry if my post wasn't clear :)

Actually, I was talking about the regular update not upgrade. That one for "upgrade" I dislike it too. but for update, it's a must IMHO.

Yes, updates can fix bugs, and security updates are important. I mostly pick and choose my updates now. I like the way Mint gives rating to the importance of updates. I have seriously considered just enabling the security update repositories, disabling everything else, and just upgrading browsers, thunderbird, and a few other applications manually with synaptic package manager. Sadly, updates too can brake a OS. It can be a trade off between security and avoiding breaking the system. Rolling releases like Mint Debian often get broken with updates, and you see it too often here in the Ubuntu forum. KBD47

An easier way to set "startup" programs.

Say I want chromium to start when computer starts, I don't want to have to google how to do it and edit text file (that's how I've been doing it, maybe an easier way in 11.10?).

A simple way, such as what is in normal ubuntu would be nice. Example: open the startup applications program, type in program filename, text description etc. With checkbox to enable/disable chromium(any app) from starting up.

andrewabc said: An easier way to set "startup" programs.

Say I want chromium to start when computer starts, I don't want to have to google how to do it and edit text file (that's how I've been doing it, maybe an easier way in 11.10?).

A simple way, such as what is in normal ubuntu would be nice. Example: open the startup applications program, type in program filename, text description etc. With checkbox to enable/disable chromium(any app) from starting up.

Agreed. This can sometimes be a massive pain in the butt.

Also, I think mtPaint should be replaced with pretty much anything other basic paint program. Its near impossible to do anything with that program...

whatthefunk said: Agreed. This can sometimes be a massive pain in the butt.

Also, I think mtPaint should be replaced with pretty much anything other basic paint program. Its near impossible to do anything with that program...

Pinta is an impressive paint program that can also edit photos. KBD47

KBD47 said: Pinta is an impressive paint program that can also edit photos.

KBD47

Pinta looks interesting, thanks. Installs libraries shown below on Debian Squeeze. Are these OK for Lubuntu? I see mono mentioned.

Has curves dialog (nice). The curves control is bezier based with control points, working out how to change the tangents. Wacky curves easy, fine control hard at present. Might be keyboard short cuts.

Resize image command does not give a choice of resize algorithm, I'll check what its using by default.

Has a mandlebrot and julia set generator (just cost me 15 minutes :twisted:)

  binfmt-support cli-common libglib2.0-cil libgtk2.0-cil libmono-cairo2.0-cil libmono-corlib2.0-cil libmono-i18n-west2.0-cil libmono-posix2.0-cil libmono-security2.0-cil libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil libmono-system2.0-cil mono-2.0-gac mono-gac mono-runtime pinta

Force quit applet is a must!

nipunreddevil said: Force quit applet is a must!

Press Alt-F2 and type:

xkill

Then click on the misbehaving application.

cariboo907 said: Press Alt-F2 and type:

xkill

May I suggest an alternative approach?

Menu > System Tools > Task Manager > Right Click on the Command/App that is currently running and want to force quit > Kill

xkill

Of course there are these 2 methods,but the applet just would be more convenient

nipunreddevil said: Of course there are these 2 methods,but the applet just would be more convenient

I'm not sure what you exactly mean? if for example you want to remove say the Volume Control from LXPanel then: Right Click > Remove "Volume Control" from panel > Done.

You can re-add it later on. Fairly simple and easy. There is nothing more easier :)

I'm not sure if this works in Lubuntu, but in Ubuntu if you click the close button of a misbehaving application two or three times, it brings up the force quit dialog box.

For those that think a force quit applet would be useful, how would you implement it to close a misbehaving application? Would you add a Force Quit selection to the file menu? Would the applet open a dialog box where you could type the name of an application? There have been a couple of threads about this, but no one has actually come up with a way of doing this with an applet.

Focus should be on how to make these apps not crash at all instead to find a way to forcedly kill them. Maybe I'm just a dreamer.

lucazade said: Focus should be on how to make these apps not crash at all instead to find a way to forcedly kill them.

Maybe I'm just a dreamer.

I agree with you., generally when an application misbehaves, it's because of something I've done. :)

cariboo907 said: I'm not sure if this works in Lubuntu, but in Ubuntu if you click the close button of a misbehaving application two or three times, it brings up the force quit dialog box.

Same with Lubuntu. That message is generated by Openbox as far as I can tell.

For me, I kill any frozen application from LXTask.

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Hi,

First of all, please be informed that [COLOR=Navy]Lubuntu 12.04[/COLOR] will not be Long Term Support (LTS) release. Ubuntu 12.04 will be LTS though.

Long story short:

• What do you expect from Lubuntu 12.04?
• What applications you want to see in Lubuntu 12.04?
• What do you think will improve Lubuntu 12.04 and make it better than any other release?
• What things you DO NOT want to see or have on Lubuntu 12.04?
• Whatever in your mind and you'd like to share it, please do :)

Thank you!

1. More of the same! :)
2. Any lightweight drawing program
3. It's simplicity and lightness already make it stand out. Possibly a more 'cheery' colour scheme?
4. The Penguin games. They look very old on a modern OS.
5. Why isn't it LTS?

:)

amjjawad said: [COLOR=Red][B][SIZE=4]_Before you post, please read this note:_

[/SIZE][/B][/COLOR][B][COLOR=DarkRed]This thread has been created for one simple reason: to discuss the future of Lubuntu and send users' suggestions and notes to the developers directly - I'm in charge of this.

Please keep any other comments/problems away from this thread. We need this thread to be as short as possible yet as informative and easy to follow as possible. The developers are not on this forum but this thread will be sent to them.

[SIZE=4]If you do have ANY problem, please start your own thread and _[COLOR=Red]PM me the link[/COLOR]_ and I'll be more than glad to help :)[/SIZE]

Thank you so much for your understanding.

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[CENTER][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Lubuntu_logo.svg/320px-Lubuntu_logo.svg.png[/IMG] [/CENTER]

Hi,

First of all, please be informed that [COLOR=Navy]Lubuntu 12.04[/COLOR] will not be Long Term Support (LTS) release. Ubuntu 12.04 will be LTS though.

Long story short:

• What do you expect from Lubuntu 12.04?
• What applications you want to see in Lubuntu 12.04?
• What do you think will improve Lubuntu 12.04 and make it better than any other release?
• What things you DO NOT want to see or have on Lubuntu 12.04?
• Whatever in your mind and you'd like to share it, please do :)

Thank you!

[COLOR=Blue][SIZE=8] Blueprints:[/SIZE][/COLOR]

From Lubuntu Developers:

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-optimizations

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience

Thanks for understanding :)

Okay, now, it's my turn to post on my own thread and write my own suggestions and thoughts :D This thread will be sent to developers as I already stated previously.

To my great Lubuntu Family: It's true that I'm a member of this great team and family but today, I'm going to write that as a Lubuntu User, not as a member of the team so please don't hate me :P

amjjawad said: Hi, First of all, please be informed that [COLOR=Navy]Lubuntu 12.04[/COLOR] will not be Long Term Support (LTS) release. Ubuntu 12.04 will be LTS though.

First thing first, I'm the one who delivered the above quoted message to the community in here. However, if truth to be told, I'm not 100% agreed about that decision and still looking forward a Long Term Support Release of Lubutnu and that will be 12.04. I'm very much aware why this decision has been made but IMHO, we must be stronger than anything else and do our best to achieve what we want. What really makes me so much interested about LTS release of Lubuntu is the HUGE SUCCESS that Lubuntu has achieved and still achieving on daily basis. I'm indeed quite positive and I know what I'm talking about. Many users are shifting from Ubuntu (and other variant) to Lubuntu. **Numbers and Figures talk louder than words and it's just the beginning** .

Having all that said, I wish and hope that we can make it and I'm sure we can. It's true I'm not a developer and have no idea how hard that is but what I know for sure is there is NOTHING impossible so +1 for LTS Lubuntu.

Long story short:Nuh, not my story, it will be LONG :D

amjjawad said: 1- What do you expect from Lubuntu 12.04?

a- I do have very high expectations for Lubuntu 12.04, thus, I expect it will be my one and only OS installed on my machine. I expect Lubuntu 12.04 to be my one and only choice and I don't want to choose any other path. I expect Lubutnu will meet most of my needs if not all. That is why your mission is not going to be easy, Lubuntu Developers but be sure we are all with you :)

b- I expect Lubuntu 12.04 to be LTS, period.

c- I expect Lubuntu Team read each and every suggestion, input, notes, etc from Lubuntu Users. Listening to users are very much important.

d- I expect Lubuntu 12.04 to continue dazzling everyone and go even beyond.

e- I believe that Lubuntu 12.04 will never let me down and will exceed all my expectations. Surprise me, please!

f- I expect from Lubutnu 12.04 to learn from the previous mistakes and work harder to fix what is broken and improve what is weak.

g- I expect Lubuntu 12.04 to never look back or around. Believe in yourself and don't follow someone's else steps.

h- I expect Lubuntu 12.04 to be even more faster, stronger, stable and flexible than before.

i- Lubuntu now has more users and those users have different machines, from new modern machines to 10 years old machines. I expect Lubuntu to satisfy both BUT PLEASE the first priority is and will always be Lightweight, High Speed, Stable and Solid. I don't want to break that at all.

j- I expect more marketing activities. Lubuntu Website (www.lubuntu.net) needs lots of work.

k- Our Wiki System should be improved before the release day of 12.04.

amjjawad said: 2- What applications you want to see in Lubuntu 12.04?

WHATEVER App and/or feature that will make Lubutnu 1 second slower, I'll personally vote against it. After all, anyone can install whatever he/she wants from the repositories. Overall preformance must remain rock solid. If

The list of Apps that I'd like to see and have in Lubuntu 12.04 are:

[U][B]Accessories [/B][/U]

• Application/Utility to Search for Files - [COLOR=Red]Must have[/COLOR].
• Clipboard Manager - [COLOR=Red]Must have[/COLOR].
• Screenshot (gnome-screenshot *or any other package*) - [COLOR=Red]Preferred[/COLOR] even though there is already one by default but with limited options and most of the users don't know when they will press Print Screen, there will be a captured screenshot on their Home Folder.

[U][B]Games: [/B][/U]Not really my cup of tea and I don't use it or care much about it but I can't vote to remove it nor have any idea to improve it. So, nothing to discuss here.

[U][B]Graphics [/B][/U]Not very important addition, just a matter of personal opinion so:

Everyone can simply install the above app so again, no big deal but IMHO, it would be so nice to have that by default. Shotwell takes 12MB RAM. [COLOR=DarkGreen]Mint LXDE[/COLOR] includes *GIMP* by default [COLOR=Red]but it takes more than 35MB of RAM upon startup without even opening any image file[/COLOR]. After all, such programs are NOT for low-specification machines. I'm just comparing here so IMHO, NO for GIMP.

• Shotwell

[U][B] Internet: [/B][/U]

• [COLOR=Navy]Chromium[/COLOR] VS [COLOR=Red]Firefox[/COLOR] still under discussion and testing. Both are what I use so it doesn't really matter to me but again, if anything will affect the overall performance, I'll vote NO for it. As far as I know, both Fedora 16 LXDE and Mint 11 LXDE use [COLOR=Red]Firefox[/COLOR] my default. It takes 50MB on Mint LXDE upon Startup with one tab. [COLOR=Navy]Chromium[/COLOR] on Lubuntu 11.10 takes around 60MB with google.com as the only opened tab. I'll do some tests and after that will update my suggestion in here.
• XChat - it takes around 3MB upon startup and 10MB after logging in to a channel. Perhaps it's not bad to add it again but it's not that important for me.
• I can't vote to remove Sylpheed even though I never use it nor use any Email-Client (it's very light and takes 7.5MB upon startup (without setting up any email account) So maybe better to keep it for those who are using it. Never ever think about Thunderbird please! it takes 47MB upon startup on Mint LXDE 11 without setting up any Email account ... I don't know what were they thinking?
• Skype. Adding Skype is not straight forward. I've never seen any light distribution with Skype installed by default as of today but with Mint LXDE, Canonical Partner Repository is added by default and if anyone types on the Synaptic's Search Box, Skype will show up as the first choice. Just a thought **because that will save some time for our users**.
• Other than the above points, the current list looks very fine to me.

[U][B]Office: [/B][/U]

• Is Osmo a must really? it takes 10.5MB upon startup on Lubutnu 11.10 and I've noticed some users are keen to change it while others seem satisfied or didn't complain yet. But point is, if it's possible to change it with a Presentation Program? that would be great but I have no idea what lightweight apps for Presentation?!
• Many don't really like AbiWord and I never use it but as long as it's lightweight, then please keep it :) Users can always install their favorite.

_Sound and Video_:

• VLC instead of gnome-mplayer. Do you know upon startup VLC takes less than GNOME-MPlayer? beside VLC IMHO is much stronger.
• Any possibility to replace Audacious with VLC? so one Application (VLC) for both Sound and Video?

[U][B]System Tools: [/B][/U]The poorest list in the Menu is System Tools. I wish to see more options

• Synaptic - KEEP IT PLEASE!
• I think LSC (Lubuntu Software Center) will be available by default, right? not my cup of tea at all but I think many users will like it.
• Backup tool maybe?
• Startup Disk Creator and/or UNetbootin - any chance?
• GParted by default - any chance?

[U][B]Preferences: [/B][/U]

• [COLOR=Red]Lock Screen[/COLOR] [COLOR=Red]to be added as an entry, PLEASE![/COLOR] for me, I know how to do that but for many, it's a problem. Even if I know the workaround to add it, why to waste time? it won't take much of your time because once you do it, it will be available for many by default.
• [COLOR=Red]Power Management[/COLOR] [COLOR=Red]to be added as an entry, PLEASE![/COLOR] Same as above.
• Additional Drivers and Disk Utility must be under System Tools NOT Preferences.

amjjawad said: 3- What do you think will improve Lubuntu 12.04 and make it better than any other release?

For some features I'd like to see in Lubuntu 12.04 and other things that IMHO could improve Lubuntu (user experience-wise):

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[/COLOR][/COLOR]

• Backgrounds/Wallpapers in the Repositories so one can download as much as he/she wants :) the current 6 images are nice but hope new will be available. How about 12 images by default? 12.04 = 12 images = SO NICE :)
• Customize Look and Feel: is it possible to merge some tabs in one? I mean just like Ubuntu when one changes the Theme, everything will be changed too. Just a thought.
• Customize Look and Feel:Reduce Widget and Increase Icon Themes. Just another thought. OR we could use only few and one can download more from the official repository.
• Customize Look and Feel: Window Border has very long list. Why not to shorten the list of choices?
• Customize Look and Feel: Why there is nothing in Mouse Cursor? some choices will be great.
• [COLOR=Red]Listening to Users and take their feedback into consideration with Lubuntu Goals and Aims in mind [/COLOR][COLOR=Red][COLOR=Black]that will be one of the best things that will definitely improve Lubuntu 12.04 and make it much better than the previous versions.[/COLOR][/COLOR]
• [COLOR=Red][COLOR=Black][COLOR=Red]Remove ALL the unneeded or unnecessary packages. [COLOR=Black]Keep whatever needed and remove the rest. Lubuntu should be light not only with speed but with everything else. In case there is some current used packages with more dependencies and CPU/RAM Usage, please get rid of them.
• [COLOR=Red][COLOR=Black][COLOR=Blue]Try Lubuntu Without Installation Bug[/COLOR]. Hope that could be fixed once and for all.[/COLOR][/COLOR]
• [COLOR=Red][COLOR=Black]Add to the Repositories (if not yet available) or perhaps to the collection of the current programs/application a list of some tweaking programs. I think it would be better to add that to the Repo. Let's give the user some choices. Not saying to add Compiz and Cairo-Dock but some applications to change the Login Screen Wallpaper and the Splash Screen.[/COLOR][/COLOR]
• [COLOR=Red][COLOR=Black]Instead of Startup Manger (which I think it has some bugs or something wrong), is it possible to include two programs? GRUB Customizer and Boot Repair? would be great if at least these two will be included by default in the Repositories. I've used these two and I'm so impressed with both. Very helpful and save time and effort.[/COLOR][/COLOR]
• [COLOR=Red][COLOR=Black]Home Folder and Trash on Desktop - Please! but NOT according to [COLOR=Red]**this**[/COLOR].[/COLOR][/COLOR]
• [COLOR=Red][COLOR=Black][COLOR=Red]Adding New Idea: [COLOR=Black]In CrunchBang, there is an auto script that one could run to do the stuff that one needs to do after installation. Like "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade". Why not do the same with Lubuntu 12.04? that would be so nice to have :)[/COLOR][/COLOR]
• [COLOR=Red][COLOR=Black]I'll add more in case something will come up on my mind.[/COLOR][/COLOR]

amjjawad said: 4- What things you DO NOT want to see or have on Lubuntu 12.04?

• Size of the iso should be less than the current size. Again, get rid of the unneeded stuff. Would be nice to have less than 650MB but if that means having less options, please forget it. [COLOR=Red]Just make sure it will be less than 700MB[/COLOR] if you know what I mean.
• I don't want to see Lubuntu 12.04 following Ubuntu's Steps at any cost no matter what whatever the reason is, period.
• Less bugs please. We need to make sure to fix all bugs as much as possible before the release day. We need more testers. I'm up to this for sure but I'm sure we'll need more testers. Please let's get more.
• Will add more in case something will come up on my mind.

amjjawad said: 5- Whatever in your mind and you'd like to share it, please do

I have lots to talk about here, specially about the future of LXDE before the future of Lubuntu but I'll skip that for now. I'll go short here:

• How come we use LXDE but there are no applications for Light Network Manger (we are using GNOME)? no Light Power Management for LXDE (we used to use GNOME and now XFCE)? and other stuff? we need more action from LXDE's side.
• PCManFM is really nice but don't you think it's time to improve it and go to version 1.0? it lacks many features. [COLOR=Red]Edit: [/COLOR][COLOR=Black]for example: Search Feature, Plug-in to Resize Images, Trash Icon on Desktop (other File Managers already have that) and make it easier to replace PCManFM for those who wants that *(even though I do NOT like that but just to give more flexibility to users) *[/COLOR]
• More flexibility is needed. It is a general notes but if I have to be more specific then yes, adding some GUI applications to do some basic stuff.
• Will add more in case something will pop up in my mind.

Thank you so much for reading all that. I tried my best to write as less as possible.

Great thoughts amjjawad! I just want to second the need for LTS, and I'll tell you why in a minute. Also gparted is a necessity, I can see many people using Lubuntu as a sort of rescue system because it is so lightweight and quickly boots up to use gparted on their machines. Here is why LTS is even more important now than a few days ago. I've been trying out Mint 12 RC and many Unity/Gnome 3 haters are looking to move to Mint 12 MATE desktop, but the thing is, it looks like an unfinished version of Lubuntu! I can really see those who don't change OS often wanting a very user friendly desktop that is simple to set up and use, and my guess is that Lubuntu will get even more popular for those people, and it being LTS will matter to them. I can tell you for certain that next Spring I'm going to dual-boot my netbook with two systems that I am going to leave on there, I'm tired of distro-hopping. Anything else I try out from that point will be on a usb stick or in virtualbox. If Lubuntu is LTS next Spring, it will be my second boot and probably stay on my netbook the rest of its life. KBD47

Wouldn't it be better to get Lubuntu finalized, before creating an LTS version? An LTS version is supposed to be stable, which not only means that it doesn't crash very often, but stable as in unchanging, except for updates.

cariboo907 said: Wouldn't it be better to get Lubuntu finalized, before creating an LTS version? An LTS version is supposed to be stable, which not only means that it doesn't crash very often, but stable as in unchanging, except for updates.

Yes, probably you are right. But, I was wondering what could the "finalized version" of Lubuntu do if the "un-finalized version" has exceeded many expectations and proved itself among the other variant? Looks like Mint and Ubuntu will have some hard rival if Lubuntu got finalized ;)

Hi amjjawad. Though I don't run Lubuntu, (look to the left<-----)

and run LXDE in AntiX 8.5 i686 core iso install with testing repositories (which keeps me supported indefinitely).

When 12.04 LTS comes out. If Lubuntu does not get long term support from Ubuntu.

What about downloading the core iso of Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (I don't know for sure if base iso will be a LTS). Build a LXDE environment on it. Just gabbing/jaw jacking here though. When my 10.04LTS Gnome 2 Wireless dual core Desktop loses Ubuntu support. I was thinking of going that route instead of Lubuntu as I am comfortable using apt and editing /etc/apt/sources.lst plus dealing with a base install.

I am not a Unity Gnome 3 Hater by the way. I am glad the choice is there for users who wish to use it.

Me though. I am in the camp of users who like a fast desktop and can get work done without a lot of clicks. Using computer resources (ram,hardrive,processor) for running a heavy desktop is not my style. I know it takes some work to set up a Open box Desktop to a users preferences from the get go at the beginning (which is like using up resources/users time) also. But when done. You end up with a lightening fast Desktop that is pleasing to the eye. So I guess 6 dozen of one or 1/2 dozen of the other.

As always, Good luck to your team on LXDE and Lubuntu.

Happy trails, Rok

Edit:

Application/Utility to Search for Files

I use the command

locate

and

find

Though I guess a gui one many be easier for new users.

cariboo907 said: Wouldn't it be better to get Lubuntu finalized, before creating an LTS version? An LTS version is supposed to be stable, which not only means that it doesn't crash very often, but stable as in unchanging, except for updates.

I have to say Lubuntu 11.10 is rock solid for me, more stable than Ubuntu 11.10 on my computer. I think it could use a bit more polish and a few more features like have been mentioned in this thread, but I can't think of anything keeping it from being an LTS beyond having enough people to handle keeping up the releases. I wonder what is lacking to make it finalized? And is any edition ever really finalized? KBD47

Hylas de Niall said:

1. The Penguin games. They look very old on a modern OS.

:)

Watch it! I've spent over ten hours so far patching it so that the icons actually show up...but I agree, if not removed, at least overhauled, they bring the tone down somewhat.:)

My wish: allow the apps menu button in more than one place-I'd like it in my dock-panel and my switcher-panel. My need: stop sylpheed freezing all of the time. I know it's a beta, but it's still a pain. My greedy wish: (which is probably feature creep, but hey)-better gtk support-gedit looks terrible. It's like it's been microwaved. Or tab support for leafpad. Either way.

12.04 Lubuntu - at least as much as apt-get can get from sources.list - up and running on this Thinkpad T40 with help from Lucazade in this forum - not sure that meets the guidelines but it worked.

Replace all - In sources.list I don't know how to "replace all" with leafpad so I did it by installing gedit. I've seen some command line strings do do that, but I make a LOT less mistakes with GUI.

Bookmarks - I run a couple hundred bookmarks which I find $%^&* to handle with Chromium so I installed Firefox.

Browse network - I've got a tower and a netbook, and my wife has Windoze (supporting websites with poprietary software not available on linux). They're all on a home network sharing files & printers. I haven't found out how to "browse network" with pcmanfm. I tried installing nautilus but I don't know how to get it to browse network on Lubuntu Precise yet. If it's possible.

Anyway, so far so good. Now when Alpha 1 shows up, I'll hang on to my hat and do a fresh "real" install.

Thanks all,

Jerry

amjjawad said:

• What do you expect from Lubuntu 12.04?
• What applications you want to see in Lubuntu 12.04?
• What do you think will improve Lubuntu 12.04 and make it better than any other release?
• What things you DO NOT want to see or have on Lubuntu 12.04?
• Whatever in your mind and you'd like to share it, please do

• A distribution that combines being lightweight with being up-to-date. It should try to take the best from other distro's, while still being lightweight. The thing I'm looking for right now is the window snap, also called 'Aero Snap', as seen in Ubuntu. Compiz is too heavy though, so I'd like to see Lubuntu or LXDE come up with a light-weight solution for this.
• The applications in it right now are fine
• -
• guvcview. I don't see the benefit in that application. mtpaint and ace-of-penguins (the penguin games) both look too out-of-date and mtpaint is a hassle to use. The current 'Open File' dialog is bothersome because it takes a lot of repetitive directory-opening.. This should be reverted to the way it was in 11.04. I made a question for it on AskUbuntu.
• Some standard options are 'missing', such as the option to add autostart programs easily. Right now, a user has to copy .desktop files to ~/.config/autostart, which is very contra-intuitive. The same goes for creating launchers: LXshortcut is very contra-intuitive.

These are a few things that could be better, but guys, you're doing a great job, keep it up! Thanks for making Lubuntu my favourite distro!

@amjjawad: I agree with most of your suggestions regarding Xchat, Osmo, Skype and VLC. But please don't touch PCManFM. PCManFM is holy.

@amjjawad: I agree with most of your suggestions regarding Xchat, Osmo, Skype and VLC. But please don't touch PCManFM. PCManFM is holy. It's faster than Thunar and IMO, it has all the options a file manager needs.

What I'm missing is "browse network" to my wife's pc's and my netbook. I do that with Nautilus on my tower.

Any ideas short of command line?

Thanks,

Jerry

jerrylamos said: What I'm missing is "browse network" to my wife's pc's and my netbook. I do that with Nautilus on my tower.

Any ideas short of command line?

Thanks,

Jerry Well, what I'm using is the PCManFM top menu: 'Go' --> 'Network'. From there, I can open the Windows network the rest of my family uses. I bookmark this location, so that I can reopen it easily.

I hope that this answers your question at least a bit. Keep in mind that I'm using a nl-nl localisation instead of an english one, so the button names may vary.

This answer can be removed if it doesn't fit the topic properly, I just wanted to respond to Jerry.

Well, what I'm using is the PCManFM top menu: 'Go' --> 'Network'. From there, I can open the Windows network the rest of my family uses. I bookmark this location, so that I can reopen it easily.

Exeleration-G,

Thanks!

On 12.04 LXDM on the Thinkpad T40 I did PCManFM "Go > Network Drives" which did access the USB hard drive in another room plugged into my netbook - also running 12.04. The netbook with its small screen and small keyboard is newer and faster and has more memory and more hard drive than the T40 so I've got Unity-2D on it.

The T40 has a bigger screen and nice regular sized keyboard, for a notebook, so Lubuntu should be a good fit.

Jerry

I have been using VLC for audio and video for about a week (I have a huge library) and I am sold as well. The less programs with "gnome" in the title, the better, right?

Ace-Of-Penguins: I think these games are fun and should be kept. They are light-weight.

My interest in computers is programming, but I enjoy these little diversions. I didn't know about AOP before I installed Lubuntu.

BossDj said: I have been using VLC for audio and video for about a week (I have a huge library) and I am sold as well. The less programs with "gnome" in the title, the better, right?

Ive never understood the appeal of VLC. For me, its horrific, one of the worst media players out there. On the other hand, I love Gnome MPlayer. To each his own I guess...

BossDj said: I have been using VLC for audio and video for about a week (I have a huge library) and I am sold as well. The less programs with "gnome" in the title, the better, right?

Gnome was very much a part of the original consortium that started Ubuntu.

My view, I try to get rid of all use of "Compiz" which is a "busy body" if there ever was one. There I am running full screen applications and there is Compiz chewing up cycles in the background even though absolutely no "eye" candy it does is even visible.

Oh, yes, Compiz has to be right up there with ubuntu installer "ubiquity" as occupying space in Launchpad Bugs.

Currently I'm using Unity-2D and Lubuntu's LXDM desktops on various test pc's.

My handiest editor is "gedit" from the gnome tribe which I've even installed on Lubuntu.

Gedit is good, but it looks way better natively.

whatthefunk said: Ive never understood the appeal of VLC. For me, its horrific, one of the worst media players out there. On the other hand, I love Gnome MPlayer. To each his own I guess...

if you want to make mplayer even better grab the "real" version from www.mplayerhq.hu/ and also all the codecs . It plays a lot of things the sanitized ubuntu version balks at .

that is one of the attractions of VLC and Zine they just play more things .

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]1. What do you expect from Lubuntu 12.04?[/COLOR]

A pure LXDE experience! Simple as.

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]2. What applications you want to see in Lubuntu 12.04?[/COLOR]

Nothing GNOME dependent. It just adds unneeded bloat. If I wanted to use Gnome applications I'd used the Gnome-Shell environment.

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]3. What do you think will improve Lubuntu 12.04 and make it better than any other release? [/COLOR] Keeping the requirements down such as disk space required for the install, even lower RAM and CPU usage would be great too!

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]4. What things you DO NOT want to see or have on Lubuntu 12.04? [/COLOR] Like I said above, a lot of LXDE-based distros include GNOME applications to try and increase usability (Like in Peppermint OS including gedit over Leafpad).

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]5. Whatever in your mind and you'd like to share it, please do[/COLOR]

Keep up the great work Lubuntu team!

First of all thankyou very much to the lubuntu team, for the great work they are carrying out.

I have lubuntu 11.04 in an old pentium III 1 GHz, 512 Ram.

For my computer chromium is a very big resources consumption browser ( no problem with ram but with cpu usage, 100% lots of the time and it is slow in newspapers web pages).

So, for next 12.04 lubuntu release, I would like that other browser would be propossed as default, with less cpu usage. Perhaps some new browser lxde native desktop as epiphany is gnome native?.

Now I use the gnome browser, epiphany, and it goes very well ( no bloated software ) except some bugs, sea monkey could be other alternative.

Also, old pc's as mine, play very bad flash videos with adobe flash player plugin (low motion, 100% CPU), I know this is an adobe flash fault. I got with epiphany browser and viewtube script from userscripts.org to play videos in youtube without flash and consuming CPU 40-50%. So, thinking in this problem, would be good, a lighter browser userscripts compatible (mozilla one?).

Regards

claracc said: I would like that other browser would be propossed as default

What about Midori http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midori_(web_browser)")?

claracc said:

For my computer chromium is a very big resources consumption browser ( no problem with ram but with cpu usage, 100% lots of the time and it is slow in newspapers web pages).

So, for next 12.04 lubuntu release, I would like that other browser would be propossed as default, with less cpu usage. Perhaps some new browser lxde native desktop as epiphany is gnome native?.

Now I use the gnome browser, epiphany, and it goes very well ( no bloated software ) except some bugs, sea monkey could be other alternative.

I agree, but there was a huge firefox/epiphany/chromium/midori flamewar on the mailing list, and the consensus was 'keep chromium for now'

MG&TL said: I agree, but there was a huge firefox/epiphany/chromium/midori flamewar on the mailing list, and the consensus was 'keep chromium for now'

Thats a shame. Chromium is essentially worthless for me for the reasons stated above. Firefox hasnt been doing so good lately either....

Breakdown:

-Firefox is too slow and ubiquitous -Chromium's tried and tested, but slow. -Midori's too buggy.

I shall try and dig out the mail archives for you. But i agree, something like a modified midori for lubuntu would be awesome.

I know that it wont be included as default, but Ive been using Opera and love it.

tartalo said: What about Midori

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midori_(web_browser)?

I tried Midori for a while. It worked but has some rough spots. Opera seems to have about the same footprint and is more polished. They're both Webkit based and unfortunately both seem to have the odd characters problem when posting replies such as this. I think there's a fix but i don't know what it is. I'm still a FireFox fan, don't care for chromium. If I need speed I prefer Opera.

1. I need single application only for handling the appearance of Lubuntu desktop. Currently, if I am not mistaken, we use Look and Feel, OpenBox, and the colour setting of Panel.

2. I need a rich-feature PIM application, but simple in appearance. I think, Osmo is not as rich as Evolution.

3. mind mapping application. If one of those available mm apps could be modified for Lubuntu so that *no* java vm is required, it would be better.

I love Opera. Just saying. If only they would release the source code for old version or something, that way they could include in repos.

About office tasks, I don't think it is a good idea to have an office suite as libreoffice or openoffice installed by default.

They could be in the repositories, so people who want install can do it easily.

I think, it is better to have by default a light word proccessor as abiword, a light spreed sheet software, a light presentation software and a light paint software in order not to bloat lubuntu.

claracc said: About office tasks, I don't think it is a good idea to have an office suite as libreoffice or openoffice installed by default.

They could be in the repositories, so people who want install can do it easily.

I think, it is better to have by default a light word proccessor as abiword, a light spreed sheet software, a light presentation software and a light paint software in order not to bloat lubuntu.

I use LibreOffice writer a lot. Abiword is useless for what I do as an "ordinary pc home/internet" user which includes copying, editing, and printing articles on health, recipes, science, and politics from the internet with embedded graphics and photos.

I don't have any problem with doing synaptic install of LibreOffice writer. Now it usually brings in a lot of stuff I never use such as presentation, paint, ...

I've had "unstable" versions of ubuntu development which didn't have synaptic either so I did sudo apt-get install synaptic.

sudo apt-get install would work as well if I could remember the names of the versions.

Now I'm hundreds of miles from any other country so I don't understand the dedication of Ubuntu to install dozens of language packs I will never never use. I took Spanish 60 years ago and German 55 years ago but I'm basically illiterate in either one, let alone Cajun.

Speaking of TOTALLY USELESS programs in the development cycle or even after, it's UPDATE. I've had UPDATE totally destroy installs in unstable ubuntu, and even in RC. I do sudo aptitiude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade. Any time Update runs (I love the option NEVER) I try to cancel it, and if it says "Partial" it's Alt-F4 time.

I update frequently when I want to, in development daily, and DO NOT APPRECIATE SUDDEN UPDATE DROP DOWN WINDOW in the middle of what I'm doing.

Jerry

My "official" reply to was in post #5 in this thread, but I've watched the discussion unfold with interest, and want to add some "me-too" notes. (How else will dev's know about how broadly certainly perceptions are shared? Below, original poster in bold...)

Rex Bouwense: "I would take all the games off of the default install. They too are easy to install if you want them." And (sorry) the Penguin games are ugly. Bad advert for Lubuntu. (And further apologies to MG&TL)

mathiraj: Font setting dialog for LX Panel. Fonts generally don't take a lot of space, and handling them well would set Lubuntu apart. Also good set of Unicode fonts (some suggestions in my first post in this thread) could contibute to Lubuntu being more decidedly international in appeal.

cogitordi: Menu editor for LX Panel. Agreed. This should be easy to do, and just now, it isn't.

KBD47 + amjjawad: strong arguments for 12.04 being LTS - and I agree.

Other thoughts:

• *Browser*: for me, Chromium behaves very oddly (= stalls) with Google (!) webapps - and a quick "google" shows I'm not alone; Seamonkey is my consistently most stable, least-memory hungry browser, fwiw. But interested to check out Epiphany, which I've never used.

• *File manager*: I didn't like PCManFM when I began with Lubuntu, but now I'm a convert. Fast, nice!

• *Office apps*: there's a strong argument for keeping LibreOffice out of the distro (I use it, have installed it, but that was easy), and the only real "wordprocessor" option (that I'm aware of) is Abiword. Sort of stuck there.

jerrylamos said: Now I'm hundreds of miles from any other country so I don't understand the dedication of Ubuntu to install dozens of language packs I will never never use. I took Spanish 60 years ago and German 55 years ago but I'm basically illiterate in either one, let alone Cajun.

This screencast on using Localepurge in Lubuntu might well be of interest. It deals with those "language packs [you] will never use".

(Sorry for the very brief thread hijack!)

My point about language packs is, that if you didn't seem them installed during the install process, you'd never know they were there.

Ubuntu is used in almost every country of the world, US users are as much a minority as Canadian users.

has anyone managed to get an install ( 64bit ) from the lubuntu daily's to boot to dekstop ? the best I've managed so far is getting a working terminal . From there trying to start either lxde or lxdm gives " unknown service" startx gives no screens found .

cariboo907 said: My point about language packs is, that if you didn't seem them installed during the install process, you'd never know they were there.

Ubuntu is used in almost every country of the world, US users are as much a minority as Canadian users. Yes, I always see the language packs in every ubuntu install process, and frequently in updates as well. Fine, the Canadians can select their language, and I can select U.S. English, I don't need all the other languages trickling into installs and updates.

This only becomes of interest when ubuntu development wants to make the install .iso bigger and bigger, including things I will never use. Stick to the language pack the user selected on install.

Jerry

I agree that automatically installing all the language packs is wasteful . But at the same time the must be included in the .iso's because there is no way of telling beforehand which will be needed . Perhaps a way could be found to only install the one required by the localization selected , leaving any others to be added after install as required .

jerrylamos said: Yes, I always see the language packs in every ubuntu install process, and frequently in updates as well. Fine, the Canadians can select their language, and I can select U.S. English, I don't need all the other languages trickling into installs and updates.

This only becomes of interest when ubuntu development wants to make the install .iso bigger and bigger, including things I will never use. Stick to the language pack the user selected on install.

Jerry

If you install Ubuntu without a network connection, the language packs don't get installed during the process.

cariboo907 said: If you install Ubuntu without a network connection, the language packs don't get installed during the process.

That is what I do.

I need several language packs and if they didnt come with Lubuntu, I would be less likely to use it.

dajare said:

• *Browser*: for me, Chromium behaves very oddly (= stalls) with Google (!) webapps - and a quick "google" shows I'm not alone; Seamonkey is my consistently most stable, least-memory hungry browser, fwiw. But interested to check out Epiphany, which I've never used.

I've now used Epiphany. Kept it on my machine for a couple days, but it's gone now! Far too unstable, even though when it was working it was reasonably swift. But no point having a crash-happy browser on hand. Hopefully it will stabilize.

I'm still on Lubuntu 10.04 so I might not be completely up to date with recent developments - you'll get my wishlist anyways.

amjjawad said:

• what do you expect from lubuntu 12.04?
• what applications you want to see in lubuntu 12.04?
• what do you think will improve lubuntu 12.04 and make it better than any other release?
• what things you do not want to see or have on lubuntu 12.04?
• whatever in your mind and you'd like to share it, please do :)

thank you!

Although Lubuntu should come only with packages for the one language I choose, adding other languages should be easy (it is not in Lubuntu 10.04).

• I expect 12.04 to keep RAM usage on a fresh install below 150 MB.
• The .iso should contain only the necessary applications (-> no games! only one browser!) and if there's a choice, please stick to the less memory demanding apps like Abiword.
• LTS? Please?
• Games. More than one browser.
• I guess some of these problems might already have been adressed in recent versions of Lubuntu but anyhow: It is really important to me to be able to switch the keyboard layout easily because I use a somewhat exotic layout (Neo2, a German layout) and want other people to able to use my computer too without logging off.

I know this mainly from Windows 7 but it might already exist on Linux derivatives too: Changing windows size by dragging a window to the right or left border of the screen so it will take up exactly half the screen. It would be great to extend this feature so that dragging a window to the upper or lower border of the screen will resize the window to take up the upper or lower half of the screen. Also, I often experienced resizing windows with a touchpad in Lubuntu 10.04 as pretty difficult as the area in which the cursor had to be placed was so minuscule. The same is true for "remove decoration/decorate" (at least that's how it translates from German) which is a nice feature but difficult to use if the "decoration" is removed and you have to place the cursor exactly on the margin of the window.

Thank you so much for your effort, Lubuntu folks! koloron

whatthefunk said: I need several language packs and if they didnt come with Lubuntu, I would be less likely to use it.

Great, load the ones you want. That shouldn't mean that the rest of us who don't use the languages you do should be saddled with installing and forever updating unused code.

Next install I'll try without network connection.

Cheers, Jerry

Libreoffice works just fine under Lubuntu.

I think Lubuntu is a great distro, I wouldn't want to miss it, although my machines would be powerful enough for Ubuntu (which I run on a desktop).

I had some initial troubles installing different languages' input methods, but that works well now.

I recommend you install the Ubuntu-Software-Center, it makes adding programs more convenient (synaptic packet manager works fine, too).

I wish for a workable way of using my CDMA-mobile broadband modem on lubuntu, but it doesn't work in ubuntu either. (GSM does).

A happy Lubuntu user

andrewabc said: Even though libreoffice not installed by default, make sure it works in lubuntu when it gets installed (maybe it does, I never tried). :)

Do we need "Standard" and "Basic" Lubuntu?

The Standard one is relatively similar to the current one.

The Basic one includes only applications that closely related to the OS aspects, such as power manager, desktop appearances, etc., etc. I am not sure if it should include English language only; but if it does, I have *no* problem.

After installing Lubuntu 11.10, I removed many included-applications since I prefer the other applications with similar function.

Is the current "Alternate install CD" similar to the "Basic" above?

Hi,

I've got Lubuntu on a netbook that I use mostly as a writing machine (I know; odd, but it works for me). I've installed the excellent textroom app and would like to see that included, as it stretched my tech abilities to the limit to figure out how to get it working. Combined with Abiword, which is a quirky but likeable word processor, and Ubuntu One, it has served me very well. I agree that Lubuntu really doesn't need games. I changed to it when Ubuntu Netbook Edition went Unity and because I always had window sizing problems with certain programmes. It has shown me that 'all singing, all dancing' programmes are often just cluttering up the essential tasks for which they're used; I FAR prefer Audacious to Rythmbox or Banshee now. Congratulations on the good work. I really appreciate it.

I would love to see a nice weather app in the panel like with all the other desktops. KBD47

KBD47 said: I would love to see a nice weather app in the panel like with all the other desktops.

KBD47

I usually have 5 tabs up on firefox, one of which is NOAA weather with graphical presentation of temperature, wind, humidity, cloud cover, rain/snowfall, etc. every 2 hours for a 2 day period.

Works for me. No applet needed.

Jerry

jerrylamos said: I usually have 5 tabs up on firefox, one of which is NOAA weather with graphical presentation of temperature, wind, humidity, cloud cover, rain/snowfall, etc. every 2 hours for a 2 day period.

Works for me. No applet needed.

Jerry

Where I live, we can see the weather coming an hour before it gets here, by looking out the window. I use the weather indicator applet to tell me what the temperature outside is.

I use Bleachbit to keep only the languages I need.

I use a weather applet to see what the temp is outside also. It would be nice if Lubuntu had one like Gnome does. If I want the forecast I can look it up, but having the temp on the panel is nice. KBD47

Hi everyone,

I just came back from a wonderful NEEDED vacation and I'm back to action yet again but thought to make this quick reply/post so that everyone will be fully aware of what is going on behind the scenes :) Actually it's NOT a secret as EVERYONE and ANYONE can join the mailing list or even check the archived Emails on Launchpad.

First of all, as a reminder, **this** is what I sent via Mailing List. And here is what I received as a reply:

This is some comments about some proposals you made. Some concerns are probably shared among the community, so it's not useless that I answer some of them :

LTS : Again, it's not a choice which depends on the users, but a decision made by the developers. Of course I would like to be LTS, like I would like to buy an expensive car. The fact is, we can't. And even if we try, it could be so expensive that it will block us to do new cool stuff, because we have to maintain 12.04.

Applications by default : The policy is to keep existing applications, unless we think there are serious reasons to switch. In this case, we open a discussion, case by case, on the mailing list. Changing application by default is not something we should do often. People who rely on them expect stability. The others can just install what they want (they have the skills to do this).

Bug reports : Some suggestions you made should be bug reports, not suggestions. Adding them on the forum will not help developers to fix them. We already have not enough time to look at all the bugs, so I'm sure we will have no time to look at them on a forum, or IRC.

Finally, some of your suggestions was already discussed in the past. I don't know how we can do to avoid the same subjects to come over and over ...

Regards, Julien LavergnePLEASE, keep in mind (as I confirmed before) that I'm NOT a developer and not even close to that. Whatever decision will be made, it should be made by the developers.

I sent my suggestions as a user NOT as a member of the team. Perhaps I followed the WRONG approach but I don't regret what I did. I'm still learning and one is learning until his/her last breathe.

Thank you!

So when will the next Lubuntu LTS be? I don't think there've been any since it started using the official build system, barring the one for the original Pentiums.

teh603 said: So when will the next Lubuntu LTS be?

No clue, sorry.

As fast as this has been developed I would be really shocked if 14.04, which should be the next LTS under the current dev cycle, was not an LTS for Lubuntu too.

You must keep in mind that there is no depth to the dev part of this team. There is only 24 hours in a day and I suspect they have to do things like work for a living too, Selfish buggers.probably want to eat and feed their families.

I think that they are doing a fantastic job.

If I am not mistaken, Julien is about 75% of the devs on this at this point.

ranch hand said: As fast as this has been developed I would be really shocked if 14.04, which should be the next LTS under the current dev cycle, was not an LTS for Lubuntu too.

Time will tell and who knows? perhaps we'll have more members by that time :)

There is only 24 hours in a day and I suspect they have to do things like work for a living too, Selfish buggers.probably want to eat and feed their families.

Exactly.

I think that they are doing a fantastic job.

Yes indeed.

If I am not mistaken, Julien is about 75% of the devs on this at this point.

I confirm that. He's doing lots of stuff all by himself.

ranch hand said: As fast as this has been developed I would be really shocked if 14.04, which should be the next LTS under the current dev cycle, was not an LTS for Lubuntu too.

You must keep in mind that there is no depth to the dev part of this team. There is only 24 hours in a day and I suspect they have to do things like work for a living too, Selfish buggers.probably want to eat and feed their families.

I think that they are doing a fantastic job.

If I am not mistaken, Julien is about 75% of the devs on this at this point.

+1. Julien's all over the place. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a team going under one name...

I think that a little more positivity could be shown by the mailing list at times...

Oh, btw, if it isn't in this release, I am certain that the Lubuntu software centre is in next release (as in 12.10).

MG&TL said: Oh, btw, if it isn't in this release, I am certain that the Lubuntu software centre is in next release (as in 12.10).

LTS my friend not LSC ;)

Congrats to the developers on a fine distro!

Please keep the alternative install, very useful for installations on low spec machines.

A option to adjust to timing on minimized panel would be nice.

thanks again for all the hard work, keep it coming.

I hope Lubuntu that will be the next standard after unity!!!, but have choices like ubuntu basic (lubuntu) and after unity.. if i take unity no compiz worked here under Lubuntu compiz worked fine...my choice is lighter for better...

Something I have noticed in Lubuntu is that when you add shortcuts to the desktop, Chromium, Firefox, etc., that it is very hard to get them to line up straight moving them around. Anyone else notice this? I wonder if it would be a big job to make moving those icons around easier and more precise? KBD47

KBD47 said: Something I have noticed in Lubuntu is that when you add shortcuts to the desktop, Chromium, Firefox, etc., that it is very hard to get them to line up straight moving them around. Anyone else notice this?

You are not alone :)

KBD47 said: Something I have noticed in Lubuntu is that when you add shortcuts to the desktop, Chromium, Firefox, etc., that it is very hard to get them to line up straight moving them around. Anyone else notice this? I wonder if it would be a big job to make moving those icons around easier and more precise?

KBD47

Right click on the icon. Snap to Grid.

Thanks!

rokytnji said: Hi amjjawad. Though I don't run Lubuntu, (look to the left<-----)

Hi my friend and SO SORRY for the late response. Ubuntu 10.04 is my favorite too but I do love Lubuntu more :)

When 12.04 LTS comes out. If Lubuntu does not get long term support from Ubuntu. What about downloading the core iso of Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (I don't know for sure if base iso will be a LTS). Build a LXDE environment on it.

That in case the core iso will be LTS but I have no idea whether it will be LTS or not. Above all, it's not only about the core system. I think the whole thing (OS) must be LTS including the programs/applications. Lubuntu team, unfortunately don't have enough resources for LTS as I already mentioned in my previous post.

For me, I don't care much. After all, I can't even keep one installation more than 6 months because I always test new stuff. Now, I do have a laptop, it might be different little bit but still two years is too long.

Me though. I am in the camp of users who like a fast desktop and can get work done without a lot of clicks. Using computer resources (ram,hardrive,processor) for running a heavy desktop is not my style.

Same here, my friend :) After all, unused RAM is wasted RAM. Sadly most of the users don't remember that fact.

As always, Good luck to your team on LXDE and Lubuntu.

Thanks a lot :)

I use the command

locate

find

I use locate when I need to look for something :)

Though I guess a gui one many be easier for new users.

Exactly :)

whatthefunk said: Right click on the icon. Snap to Grid.

When I shutdown my PC and turn it on again, the same icon will be placed some other place. I think it will take some other time until LXDE Desktop gets more powerful. It's true that LXDE is designed for low system resources but many including me are using it on modern machines. LXDE/Lubuntu users are more these days and the developers MUST be aware of this fact :)

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20111128#upcoming

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule

Are you ready? :)

Hi Guys,

So sorry for disturbing your discussions... ;)

Since I have just some questions for development focus of lxpanel... Yeah I love this panel now even though it ran with gtk2 engine!! :)

Here is my screenshot using lxpanel with my gtk theming: [[IMG]http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/7066163/480/7066163.png[/IMG]]("http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/7066163/img/7066163.png") (Click it to Full-size Image!)

Now we have some other panels like "gnome-panel", "XFCE-panel", and "Wingpanel", surely these would run on precise, but one thing.

I really love "centre clock" for panel. :) Today we might be able to get lots of Hi-Rez LCD display, you know. So even if center clock forced to shrink window-list, I suppose it didn't make any ugly appearances, isn't it? Yep, we already have enough space to place window-list and/or other dock on desktop...

Finally I wish lxpanel could have centre clock...

Cheers.

For testing purposes I run Lubuntu and Ubuntu Unity-2D.

(-3D is in love with fuzzy edges and out of focus windows and compiz overhead and larger and larger .iso's.)

For doing "real work" I drop right back to Lucid Lynx 10.04 LTS. Fast! Easy! Clear! Comfortable!

Now I'm not a developer, I just try to use linux for as an ordinary user plus submitting launchpad bugs. I've a tower, netbook, and 2 notebooks to test install etc.

My opinion, the more ubuntu development tries to make ubuntu look, feel, and act like a tablet the more ubuntu loses in functionality and clarity. Tablets are usable passively to read, not very usable for active work. Just try to copy a BBC health article with embedded pictures and graphics to a write document, edit it, save it with similar health topics, send it to my wife and son, and print it out.

What I've been meaning to do is see how to get Lubuntu to look, feel, and act like Lucid Lynx 10.04 since the latter will get obsolete.

Keep up the good work!

Jerry

about the centre clock...can you not do that by mucking around with spacers?

jerrylamos said:

What I've been meaning to do is see how to get Lubuntu to look, feel, and act like Lucid Lynx 10.04 since the latter will get obsolete.

Jerry

Just trying gnome-fallback on precise pangolin. I don't know if it is applicable to lubuntu? Let me try this evening.

Jerry

MG&TL said: about the centre clock...can you not do that by mucking around with spacers?

Hi MG&TL,

Yeah my previous shot was made by fixed size "spacer" between "digital clock" and "indicators"... ;) But this method could not place clock in the centre of panel permanently. Because the spacer of lxpanel only defines space within applets, so if a side of applets increased/decreased its own width, then that clock would displace from the desired position, isn't it?

For example, wingpanel has 3 separate Gtk-HBoxes "right", "center" and "left". so wingpanel could put lots of applets into desired/defined position. and additionally wingpanel has also "ordering" indicators. but lxpanel didn't. however it might be fixed by adding Gtk-Arrray for placing indicators, unfortunately I didn't tested yet... actually I had only a choice that purging indicator-applications-gtk2 and putting systray on lxpanel to revive that application indicators...

IMHO, I might need some types of parent GtkBoxes before putting hbox by gtk_box_pack_start to place the applets. :)

cheers.

tista said: Here is my screenshot using lxpanel with my gtk theming:

[[IMG]http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/7066163/480/7066163.png[/IMG]]("http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/7066163/img/7066163.png") (Click it to Full-size Image!)

Hi,

I can't see any screenshot?!

amjjawad said: Hi,

I can't see any screenshot?!

Hi amjjawad,

Oops! :/ I've attached it in this time...

could you see it?

regards.

tista said: Hi amjjawad,

Oops! :/ I've attached it in this time...

could you see it?

regards.

Hi,

It gave me hard time trying to see it (so small) but I did see it :) Nice and it does fit well on the panel because it's on the top. I like it :) By the way, I like your avatar which is the same as your Menu's icon ;)

Regarding LTS and LXDE: Since next year the repositories for both Mint 13 LTS and Ubuntu 12.04 LTS would be open for 5 years I don't see any reason why installing LXDE would not give you, in essence, a LXDE LTS built on those bases for 5 years support. But of course LXDE would probably not have 5 years support just by installing it on those bases, you would just have security and other software updates for that amount of time. BTW I have installed LXDE on both Oneiric and on Mint 12 and they run well. It is a simple matter of going to synaptic package manager in both and installing the LXDE meta package then logging out and logging into LXDE. It is to be seen yet whether or not Mint is going to build their next LXDE version on Ubuntu base or pure Debian base. If pure Debian it will likely become a rolling release and prone to breakage. If Ubuntu based it will likely be a 5 year LTS release sometime next year. But I think if someone has old hard ware and wants just to do one install and leave it on there for quite awhile then next year LXDE installed on top of Ubuntu 12.04 or Mint 13 should work for LTS. My only question would be if such a setup would be as light and fast as regular Lubuntu? Or would it be heavier and run slower than Lubuntu? KBD47 PS--I don't know if you install LXDE on top of Ubuntu Oneiric (or 12.04 LTS next year) if this will give you pure LXDE Ubuntu, but that is what the page suggests if you remove the Ubuntu desktop: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde I haven't tried that, but I have used the directions on that site to install the Xubuntu desktop to Ubuntu and then remove it, same with the Kubuntu desktop and removed it. So in my experience the directions are probably good.

lubuntu 12.04 should be LTS just like ubuntu, kubuntu and xubuntu it's only fair for all ubuntu family to support LTS:popcorn:

Guys,

Julien made it extra clear that we, Lubuntu Team, don't have enough resources to go LTS. Being LTS is not about the core system but about each and every components (someone correct me please if I'm wrong). I suggest to get over that and move forward ;)

By the way, there is something to share with you I received via Mailing List for those who don't receive such Emails:

Hi,

The 1st Alpha of Lubuntu 12.04 is planned for Thurday. We started the ISO testing for Alpha 1, so if you want to help, you can join the testing process :)

If you know how to use a virtual machine (Virtualbox) and how to install Lubuntu, you can help ! :) You can follow the steps on this wiki page : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures .

We uses a new ISO tracker to collect the results : http://91.189.93.73 . There are 4 ISOs that you can test : Live CD (Desktop) and Alternate ISO, both on i386 and amd64. All need to be tested, to be able to publish an Alpha 1.

To be short, just download the ISO, run it into VirtualBox, check the testcase on the page of the ISO, and report the result.

You don't need any technical knowledge, and if you have questions, you can ask on #lubuntu or #ubuntu-testing.

Thanks in advance ! :)

Regards, Julien Lavergne I asked him some Qs and here is the answers:

[COLOR=Blue]I was unable to open this: http://91.189.93.73

Site is blocked by my ISP and anyway it doesn't seem a valid IP address anyway.[/COLOR] Ah :( but it's temporaly, the site should be available on a real DNS adress for Alpha 2 ( http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/). Still, the ISOs are available in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/ is people just want to have a look.

> [COLOR=Blue]Another thing: I understand testing in Virtual Machines (VirtualBox) is SAFE but will that be the same as testing on real installation?[/COLOR] Not exactly, because the hardware on the virtual machine is generic. You can test many things on a vm, but it's nice to test it also on a real hardware.

However, for Alpha 1, it's not important to test it on real hardware. It's still very early in the cycle. It's more critical for Beta ISO for example.

Regards,

I would be curious to know what is required to support a distro like Lubuntu for 5 years? I just checked the repositories and the software and updates for 11.10 Lubuntu are all pointed to Oneiric and Canonical. I was thinking Lubuntu had its own repositories, if not, why couldn't a 12.04 Lubuntu just point to the LTS Precise repositories for 5 years support? I'm trying to understand what requires manpower for 5 years of LTS support in Lubuntu if everything is pointed at the Canonical repositories and will be pointed at Precise repositories for 12.04. If that is the case, wouldn't it be 5 years support by default based on the set repositories? Not wanting to give the devs a hard time, just trying to understand what extra work is involved if the repositories are already being maintained by Canonical/Ubuntu. KBD47

KBD47 said: I would be curious to know what is required to support a distro like Lubuntu for 5 years? I just checked the repositories and the software and updates for 11.10 Lubuntu are all pointed to Oneiric and Canonical. I was thinking Lubuntu had its own repositories, if not, why couldn't a 11.10 Lubuntu just point to the LTS Precise repositories for 5 years support? I'm trying to understand what requires manpower for 5 years of LTS support in Lubuntu if everything is pointed at the Canonical repositories and will be pointed at Precise repositories for 12.04. If that is the case, wouldn't it be 5 years support by default based on the set repositories?

KBD47

I'm currently half awake half asleep with some pain in my stomach so answering your question(s) is BAD idea :) However, I promise I'll answer you and make it extra clear to anyone over here. Julien, the main developer of Lubuntu made it extra clear after I sent him my suggestions/ideas for 12.04.

I'll try to find that email :)

Thanks, and get some rest :-)

You can now follow the progress of Lubuntu development on status.ubuntu.com. LTS :

Again, it's not a choice which depends on the users, but a decision made by the developers. Of course I would like to be LTS, like I would like to buy an expensive car. [COLOR=Red]The fact is, we can't.[/COLOR] And even if we try, it could be so expensive that it will block us to do new cool stuff, because we have to maintain 12.04. I do hope it's clear enough. For further information, I do need to have some rest. I don't prefer to ask Julien because he's SO BUSY and doing lots of stuff all by himself. It's everyone's right to ask why Lubuntu won't go LTS but I see no point as long as the developers themselves are explaining why?

Anyway, I promised to provide more information to end this debate once and for all :)

Edit: I updated it the first post :)

KBD47 said: Thanks, and get some rest :-)

I'm trying to leave my PC but something is dragging me to it ... Ops, not again :P

You welcome ;)

Regarding Lubuntu 12.04 being LTS or not... does it matter? Well yes as far as directly supporting (limited resources), but it's pointed to the normal Ubuntu repository (at least 11.10 was and lubuntu-desktop is), so from a user's point of view that just wants to keep their system reasonably up-to-date, any derivative of 12.04 is effectively an LTS. However even for an LTS, app updates including the GUI generally only happen for the first couple years, after that it's just major bug fixes and updates to the core OS components (which I still get even on my 8.04 system). Which is fine, and one of the good things about running an LTS. If I want a newer version I'll use a PPA deb etc.

BTW I love lxpanel, works with Gnome Shell, Unity, gnome-fallback and in its own custom Gnome session. Thanks to -p and a bit of bash, all installed at once in addition to LXDE or Lubuntu, each with its own configuration. Very nice.

Slightly off topic, the LXDE forum web site is down, anyone know when it will be back up again?

KBD47 said: Slightly off topic, the LXDE forum web site is down, anyone know when it will be back up again?

I stopped visiting it because it's down every now and then. I didn't login to LXDE Forum in two weeks or more maybe. They are having problems with the server or something and not sure when they will manage to fix it. I have sent emails twice or more and I know they are aware of that.

I think it's up. I was checking it a while ago and it works but a bit slow.

Yes, it's working now. Thanks. KBD47

if they can't support lubuntu for 5 years why not 3 years?:confused: or atleat a year it will be nice if people didn't have to upgade every 6 months.

If what others and I think is correct, Lubuntu 12.04 will have 18 mos. of patches and updates to LXDE/Lubuntu and 5 years of security and other updates relating to Ubuntu/Precise. If so, I can live with that. It is getting to be a pain installing and reinstalling my software and applications every six months or so on my computer. Next LTS release I plan on choosing 2-3 of the LTS, probably Lubuntu 12.04, Xubuntu 12.04, and Mint 13 to leave on my computer. Those would probably last the life of my netbook. Anything else I want to run will be in VB or DVDs and USB sticks. KBD47

linuxusersince2008 said: if they can't support lubuntu for 5 years why not 3 years?:confused: or atleat a year it will be nice if people didn't have to upgade every 6 months.

All interim releases (between LTS releases) are supported for two years, what's your problem again? :)

linuxusersince2008 said: if they can't support lubuntu for 5 years why not 3 years?:confused: or atleat a year it will be nice if people didn't have to upgade every 6 months.

Upgrading is just an option, you do NOT have to go for it if you are happy with the current version/release you have and if everything is ok. I did not install (I don't do upgrades) Lubuntu 11.10 unless I wanted to get rid of all the systems on my PC and install Lubuntu as the main OS and nothing else but Lubuntu. Otherwise, I was so much happy with Lubuntu 11.04.

I understand some/most users are always looking for "the latest" release without clear understanding about what is really going on and why they are doing so. No offense, I'm just saying what I've noticed :)

i'm still on lubuntu 11.04 since 11.10 has bugs that needs to be work out. and 18 months is not that long if look at it. but that's just my opinion.:P my mistake about the LTS releases.

KBD47 said: If what others and I think is correct, Lubuntu 12.04 will have 18 mos. of patches and updates to LXDE/Lubuntu and 5 years of security and other updates relating to Ubuntu/Precise. If so, I can live with that. It is getting to be a pain installing and reinstalling my software and applications every six months or so on my computer. Next LTS release I plan on choosing 2-3 of the LTS, probably Lubuntu 12.04, Xubuntu 12.04, and Mint 13 to leave on my computer. Those would probably last the life of my netbook. Anything else I want to run will be in VB or DVDs and USB sticks.

KBD47

My friend, you are confused again :)

As cariboo907 posted, any release that is NOT LTS will be supported officially for two years. FOR ME, two years is way too much. NO ONE lives forever and lots of things could happen and change in that period so imagine what could happen in 5 years? :)

As I just posted, if everything is working for you, why to upgrade? NO NEED to do that at all. As they say, why to fix it if it's not broken yet? so let's say, why to upgrade it if everything is working perfectly?

We all must understand what's the real/main point of upgrading and why to upgrade, why to install or re-install, etc.

Next LTS release I plan on choosing 2-3 of the LTS, probably Lubuntu 12.04, Xubuntu 12.04, and Mint 13 to leave on my computer. Those would probably last the life of my netbook.

I do respect your opinion but I disagree with you. Can you make sure your machines will work (as hardware) for 5 years without a hitch? can you make sure nothing wrong will happen to the OS itself? NO OS is prefect, period. I'm writing this from experience.

I'm honestly against the 6 months release cycle and I'm sure most of users will disagree with me but that's my opinion. Take Lubuntu or LXDE for example ... have a look at each and every component. Why still there is no stable release (version 1)? why there are too many bugs? Real Life keep the developers busy not to mention in most cases it's a one man job. PCMan was busy and he sent the last month or so saying he got some free time to work on PCManFM. He is working on version 1 right now. Julien is the main developer for Lubuntu and he's doing lots of stuff. IMHO, all of them, no matter how good they are, in 6 months, they can't fix everything (bugs) and at the same time come up with new ideas for the next release.

Anyway, it's a long debate that I prefer NOT to go into it right now.

For me, whether it's LTS or not? whether it's stable or not? it doesn't matter. What does matter is: A good, nice, strong and stable system that suit my needs and give me less headache :)

After all, I'm so much comfortable because I'm using Linux :)

i do like the idea of upgrading every six months but it just a bother me a bit but i know i don't have upgrade right away. 11.10 does have some compatibility issues like my addons in firefox they don't display correctly and when typing in passwords and usernames. or when uninstalling programs.:)

linuxusersince2008 said: i do like the idea of upgrading every six months but it just a bother me a bit but i know i don't have upgrade right away. 11.10 does have some compatibility issues like my addons in firefox they don't display correctly

and when typing in passwords and usernames. or when uninstalling programs.:)

If I were you, I would never allow to any problem to block or stop me from using what I want :)

If you do have problems with 11.10, start a new thread in the appropriate sub-forum and send me a PM with your thread link ONLY if it's about Lubuntu as this is the only thing I'm supporting right now :P I've been so active on Ubuntu Problems, specially booting and partitions issues (I LOVE THAT) but ... not anymore, I'm all into Lubuntu right now :)

P.S. Actually I've been away from Ubuntu for sometime. I miss 10.04 :( I might plug my SATA HDD (I'm using an old IDE right now) which has Ubuntu 10.04 and use it once again. I really love it.

i agree, ubuntu 10.04 was the best, i also like 8.04 too :)

linuxusersince2008 said: i also like 8.04 too :)

Sadly, at that time, I was stuck with Windows :( Thank God I'm no more stuck there :D

The only way not to itch for upgrades is abstaining from reading forums.:(

The best version is always the next one. :)

People are drawn to LTS for stability. My understanding is that LTS releases are built on Debian Testing rather than Debian Unstable like normal Ubuntu releases, so it is more solid from the start. If we didn't like Lubuntu so much we probably wouldn't care if it is LTS :-) I have plenty of hard drive space so I multiple boot on the computer I use most. I like to have one or two stable systems and one or two newer systems. I just installed Mint Debian Xfce, which is a risky proposition except that after I ran all the updates and made sure everything was working well I disabled everything but the security updates so it should be pretty stable for a long while. The confusion comes from the fact that if the Precise/Ubuntu repositories are still open for 5 years, even if Lubuntu 12.04 is not officially an LTS wouldn't it still be getting updates for 5 years because of the other repositories? KBD47

amjjawad said: My friend, you are confused again :)

As cariboo907 posted, any release that is NOT LTS will be supported officially for two years. FOR ME, two years is way too much. NO ONE lives forever and lots of things could happen and change in that period so imagine what could happen in 5 years? :)

No, but all it takes to really mess things up and cause someone to *need* an LTS is two releases as bad as Karmic, in a row.

At least Karmic was bad for me, particularly the fritzed cell modem driver, occasional boot failures, and the whole thing being generally less stable than Jaunty or Lucid.

I have several ubuntu partitions running example lucid 10.04.3 LTS, meerkat 10.10 with tv-viewer for recording shows (e.g. Victoria's Secret Runway 2011), no narwhal's but a couple ocelot 11.10, and a couple pangolin 12.04's one an alpha 1 install, another a lubuntu 12.04, others from upgrading from ocelot.

Even on my older Thinkpad R31 with 20 gb hard drive there's three ubuntu's.

On occasion I try tiny core, bodhi linux, semplice linux but lately gnome-session-fallback is taking the place of the other versions. Simple and easy to use. I do the "imitation tablet" Unity's just looking for bugs.

If I'm really dubious about an ubuntu I run it live from the .iso or a usb hard drive. This pangolin is from a usb hard drive on a $250 netbook which runs Unity-3D (at the moment gnome-fallback), Windoze 7, and a couple ubuntu's on the 250 GB hard drive.

At about 10 GB partition size there's lots of room and if any given ubuntu install is sour so what. Write a launchpad bug and on to the next.

Now on my Acer notebook, an ocelot Beta 1 install got an error on "apt configure" which screwed grub 2 royally, grub rescue commands didn't work, so it took about 4 hours with a recovery CD (lucid LTS) to get going again.

Last winter a narwhal install blew my Acer notebook's hard drive so I had to re-install Windoze 7 from 5 DVD's. Ugh! Why Winsdoze 7? My wife uses some commercial software to maintain a couple websites. Dreamweaver is not available on linux.

Have fun as a tester/user.

Jerry

Thank you for sharing 12.04 alpha 1 with me.

I enjoyed it, it works well. I have one suggestion, and one observation of a tiny, banal error, probably already fixed: error: "Thank you for choosing Lubuntu 11.10"

Suggestion:

Look, my experience may be completely eccentric, and idiosyncratic, so, I hope you will discount whatever I write here, as the notions of a fuddy duddy...

For which purpose do I use Lubuntu?

url=http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/blog/caieng-308178/sharing-the-cpu-17682/

I use Lubuntu primarily, to listen to music.

** complaint ***

I am obliged to wait for some minutes, during both downloading, and installation, while Gnome Mplayer, and Audacious are installed.

Then, I am obliged to waste more time, with Synaptic Package manager, REMOVING these instruments.

Finally, I spend more time, now, finally, downloading and installing VLC.

******** end complaint, begin suggestion ***********

LXDE is a LIGHT weight desktop environment.

I am proposing that, in harmony with that philosophy, Ubuntu steps up to the plate, and provides a superior installation environment for its users.

What is needed to improve the already EXCELLENT installer (By far, the best in the business--autologin--downloading while asking user information--)by offering the user, a choice of software to (a) download, and then, (b) install.

I don't want crappy Gnome junk on my LXDE. I sure don't want MPlayer. I couldn't use Audacious, if someone paid me to do so. I don't need or want Bluetooth. Let me choose what I DO WANT, and it will save me time. Specifically, provide an OPTION, to have the "complete" version, or just a "net install" version.

With the net install version, then, the user can affirm need for bluetooth, request opera instead of chrome, get VLC right from the get go, instead of all the fiddle faddle I must engage in right now.....

I want a lean, slick, sleek, lively OS. I don't want a cluttered array of stuff.

I think that even if you do nothing else, Lubuntu will remain a valuable tool, which I respect, and enjoy. My comments above, were intended not to criticize the developers, who have obviously worked very diligently, but to propose a method intended to enhance the installation experience for those users with specific aims and goals.

regards,

CAI ENG

amjjawad said:

• What do you expect from Lubuntu 12.04?
• What applications you want to see in Lubuntu 12.04?
• What do you think will improve Lubuntu 12.04 and make it better than any other release?
• What things you DO NOT want to see or have on Lubuntu 12.04?
• Whatever in your mind and you'd like to share it, please do :)

1.) I am expecting to love it as I know they have been working very hard on making improvements. It is a wonderful operating system already so to me it is a matter of tweaking. 2.) I would like to see something like xcompmgr in the settings to make it easier to enable compositing. I don't need compiz or anything fancy but I would like to be able to use conky or docky. It was easy to download xcompmgr from the net but I think noobs would appreciate it. Also, I do use leafpad very often but found that I had to install kate to do some of my more advanced editing. Maybe it's just me....I am not a guru so maybe it is just that I don't know how to properly use leafpad. Maybe someone can suggest something else besides Kate that I may like. None of this is a problem for me as it is more than easy to install em on my own. Just saying cause you asked. :D 3.)Well..I actually love Lubuntu over the others so with the addition of the things I mentioned in #2 I would think it is just about perfect. The only other distros I glance at now are things like crunchbang that feature openbox. I no longer like bloated OS. Not because my machine can't handle it, but because I like a super fast machine. 4.) Well I just don't want unnecessary bloat...compiz, LibreOffice and things like that. I find Abbiword and Gnumeric more than enough for my needs. 5.) I love being able to customize my machine to suite my taste. It was one of the things that drew me into Lubuntu. I hated not having that freedom when I had Ubuntu with Unity installed. I wanted to stay within the buntu family though because after using debian, Arch, Chakra, Aptosid and many others I just decided it was time to use something that works for the most part...out of the box. Hours of configuring sound and video are ok for some..but I guess I am getting old. I just don't have time for that anymore. I am so glad that I tried Lubuntu.

Thanks,

Penny

caieng said:

What is needed to improve the already EXCELLENT installer (By far, the best in the business--autologin--downloading while asking user information--)by offering the user, a choice of software to (a) download, and then, (b) install.

Excellent Idea! That would truly be awesome as it would make the OS truly yours from the start.

Sincerely,

Penny

teh603 said: No, but all it takes to really mess things up and cause someone to *need* an LTS is two releases as bad as Karmic, in a row.

At least Karmic was bad for me, particularly the fritzed cell modem driver, occasional boot failures, and the whole thing being generally less stable than Jaunty or Lucid.

Isn't Karmic was released in October, 2010? :) Let's be positive and let's wait until the final release to decide whether 12.04 will be a disappointment or a huge success :)

This is what I would do but I understand YMMV :)

Again, I do understand why users are looking forward to see a LTS release but if you think about it, you don't really have to use the latest release (12.04) in case, as per your opinion, it might be a bad release. Again, this is too early to talk about right now :)

amjjawad said: Isn't Karmic was released in October, 2010? :)

Let's be positive and let's wait until the final release to decide whether 12.04 will be a disappointment or a huge success :)

This is what I would do but I understand YMMV :)

Again, I do understand why users are looking forward to see a LTS release but if you think about it, you don't really have to use the latest release (12.04) in case, as per your opinion, it might be a bad release. Again, this is too early to talk about right now :) Kinky Kitty was released in October of 99.

Like all releases following a LTS it had an awful lot of stuff new in it. Have no idea why folks can't get the reality of the release cycle.

The LTS is built to be more stable, That means that little or nothing new is added to it. The x.10 following it has everything since the freeze for the x.10 before the LTS to be added to it. This does, believe it or not, cause more problems.

The x.04 after the LTS is usually pretty straight forward and not too hectic. Everything is caught up.

The x.10 before the LTS is another rather wild one. This is due to the policy of not building an LTS with things not tried before. So that x.10 before the LTS has a lot of things thrown into it.

It was, for instance, important to get grub-pc into 9.10-testing (Kinky Kitty) so that it could be in the LTS. Getting the bugger to work was a little more work than expected. Other things were somewhat neglected. What a shock.

This forum is for 12.04-testing. This is a LTS release. Testing, for those that like the excitement of testing, this one will be relatively boring.

Next time will be more FUN.

On my box Kinky Kitty, after release, actually ran great, a release that I had almost no trouble with at all. I did have to change the splash screen and theme right away so as to not be ill but the folks that design the look of Ubuntu seem to have some rather "interesting" (read strange) ideas of what looks good. The OS itself was rock solid.

I did a short review of Lubuntu 11.10 and mention some features I'd like to see in future releases: http://kbd-thinkingoutloud.blogspot.com/2011/12/lubuntu-1110-light-and-fast.html

ranch hand said: Kinky Kitty was released in October of 99.

Ok, this if final :) It's October, 2009.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala

ranch hand said:

This forum is for 12.04-testing. This is a LTS release. Testing, for those that like the excitement of testing, this one will be relatively boring.

So far 12.04 A1 pretty boring so I'm using the extra time to try lubuntu, gnome-fallback, bodhi, compare back to Lucid Lynx & Meerkat, running .iso's from hard drive file, ....

Likely try a minimal install if I can figure out how, and just put in what I use e.g. firefox, flashplayer, gparted, synaptic, samba network file sharing, LibreOffice write & calc, screen area capture, some desktop manager(s), picasa, ...

Have fun.

Jerry

jerrylamos said: So far 12.04 A1 pretty boring so I'm using the extra time to try lubuntu, gnome-fallback, bodhi, compare back to Lucid Lynx & Meerkat, running .iso's from hard drive file, ....

Likely try a minimal install if I can figure out how, and just put in what I use e.g. firefox, flashplayer, gparted, synaptic, samba network file sharing, LibreOffice write & calc, screen area capture, some desktop manager(s), picasa, ...

Have fun.

Jerry

Use the Alternate install CD, and select CLI, you can then install only what you want. Stay away from the *-desktop meta packages, as they will install many packages you don't want or need

Have run Alpha1 under Virtualbox without any problems...

Would like to see Lubuntu kept to a minimum size for older systems but equally less bloated for newer ones.

LXDE to me now is a real alternative to Gnome2.

When are we likely to see the Lubuntu RC, sometime in March?

KBD47 said: When are we likely to see the Lubuntu RC, sometime in March?

There won't be an RC, beta 2 will be released March 29. 2012

Fist off I love Lubuntu, I have tried many linuxes and this one I love best.

I would like to see Lubuntu stay small and fast as i use old computers alot. Light weight aps are great.

My suggestions

1. May switch to epiphany as the default browser because it is lighter than chromium

1. Default install of both hdparm and sdparm, older computers still need it.

1. Mplayer seems to always have issues for me, so i usually install totem but this time i tried vlc and it works, A hassle free player would be nice.

1. a swappiness gui, I always change mine from 60 to 20 so the default could be changed to 20 or so and a gui added for those that need a higher number.

1. CONCURRENCY=shell should be default

vm.swappiness=10

1. optimize internet connection settings or create a gui to do this and casche pressure, mine looks like this in sysctl.conf (copy and paste)

increase TCP max buffer size setable using setsockopt()

net.core.rmem_max = 16777216 net.core.wmem_max = 16777216

increase Linux autotuning TCP buffer limits

min, default, and max number of bytes to use

set max to at least 4MB, or higher if you use very high BDP paths

net.ipv4.tcp_rmem = 4096 87380 16777216 net.ipv4.tcp_wmem = 4096 65536 16777216

don't cache ssthresh from previous connection

net.ipv4.tcp_no_metrics_save = 1 net.ipv4.tcp_moderate_rcvbuf = 1

recommended to increase this for 1000 BT or higher

net.core.netdev_max_backlog = 2500

for 10 GigE, use this, uncomment below

net.core.netdev_max_backlog = 30000

Turn off timestamps if you're on a gigabit or very busy network

Having it off is one less thing the IP stack needs to work on

net.ipv4.tcp_timestamps = 0

disable tcp selective acknowledgements.

net.ipv4.tcp_sack = 0 ##enable window scaling net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling = 1 vm.vfs_cache_pressure=50

1. I use an hpdc7100 the has a ich6 and the sound is always muted when i restart the computer, this is very annoying but liveable.

That is a few off the top of my head and I hope it helps for ideas. I am no programmer but I hope i am a decent problem solver lol.

is the announcement in another thread about the .ISO going to 750mb relevant to Lubuntu ? If so since a cd install is then out of the question how about more control over what is installed for those that wish to customize their installs from the start ? There are atleast 2 different groups of people using Lubuntu . 1 those with older hdw who need a lighter desktop . 2 those who prefer a simpler DM sans glitz and eyecandy but who have hardware that is not performance challenged and want heavy duty apps . No one set of defaults will satisfy both groups so why not have a choice right at the start of "simple" , a set of defaults suitable for older hardware and "custom" allowing the user maximum control over what gets installed including restricted drivers and codecs and "non opensource apps" .

cariboo907 said: There won't be an RC, beta 2 will be released March 29. 2012

Thanks!

ronacc said: is the announcement in another thread about the .ISO going to 750mb relevant to Lubuntu ? If so since a cd install is then out of the question how about more control over what is installed for those that wish to customize their installs from the start ? There are atleast 2 different groups of people using Lubuntu . 1 those with older hdw who need a lighter desktop . 2 those who prefer a simpler DM sans glitz and eyecandy but who have hardware that is not performance challenged and want heavy duty apps . No one set of defaults will satisfy both groups so why not have a choice right at the start of "simple" , a set of defaults suitable for older hardware and "custom" allowing the user maximum control over what gets installed including restricted drivers and codecs and "non opensource apps" .

I really disagree with having two different installation options, the only install process, should be what we have now, anyone that wants to add application post install, is welcome to it.

Running other operating systems, you have to download and install extra applications to make them usable, Ubuntu includes enough to have a usable system from the start, for extra customization, it's easy enough to add extra packages.

I know I can add anything I wish after install . I was thinking of never installing things I don't want in the first place . And btw not having them entangled in meta packages that keep trying to reinstall them after I have removed them , I am sure there are many other users in the same position I am of preferring things the way they want them as opposed to someone else's idea of one size fits all . And if you note my first sentence in my previous post was about whether the .iso was no longer going to be restricted to cd size , if not , space is no longer a valid argument against choice .

ronacc said: I know I can add anything I wish after install . I was thinking of never installing things I don't want in the first place . And btw not having them entangled in meta packages that keep trying to reinstall them after I have removed them , I am sure there are many other users in the same position I am of preferring things the way they want them as opposed to someone else's idea of one size fits all . And if you note my first sentence in my previous post was about whether the .iso was no longer going to be restricted to cd size , if not , space is no longer a valid argument against choice .

I think with Lubuntu, the problems is filling up a CD, not going over sized. :) The last iso, I downloaded last week, didn't even use 600MiB.

As far as meta packages are concerned, you can use the no recommends option with apt-get and aptitude, and you can also set it in synaptic. the only time you are stuck with all the packages including recommends is if you use the software center.

And "aptitude keep-all" breaks all meta packages and lists all packages as manually installed.

Just a few words from a new supporter of Lubuntu. Like so many I used to stand behind Ubuntu. And like so many I moved away because of Unity and Gnome 3. I tried my best but both DEs drove me nuts. I am now somewhat familiar with Lubuntu ( LXDE). Coming from classic gnome I would suggest the following: - improve ease of keybindings: I use a lot of shortcut keys and LXDE with openbox requires quite some time to get used to. Some GUI would for sure please a lot of new users.

- GUI for menu customization: A simple user interface would be a nice upgrade for that. I am sure it is nothing new that I am suggesting but coming from Ubuntu/Gnome I found that GUIs made things a lot easier. I have tried pretty much any major linux distribution but I am very glad I switched to Lubuntu. I love things simple. Thx for all the hard work that went into it.

• GUI for multimedia settings: I found nothing out of the box that gives that capability.
• hardware support : It is a common complaint that Linux requires some in depth knowledge to get a lot of hardware working. F.i. it took me several hours today to get my multifunction machine (printer and scanner) properly set up. Whatever can be done to improve that will help.

ronacc said: is the announcement in another thread about the .ISO going to 750mb relevant to Lubuntu ? If so since a cd install is then out of the question how about more control over what is installed for those that wish to customize their installs from the start ? There are atleast 2 different groups of people using Lubuntu . 1 those with older hdw who need a lighter desktop . 2 those who prefer a simpler DM sans glitz and eyecandy but who have hardware that is not performance challenged and want heavy duty apps . No one set of defaults will satisfy both groups so why not have a choice right at the start of "simple" , a set of defaults suitable for older hardware and "custom" allowing the user maximum control over what gets installed including restricted drivers and codecs and "non opensource apps" .

I for one will disagree to go for more than 700MB as far as Lubuntu is concerned. However, if the developers will decide that, I have no control over their decision and I think no one else has.

As for your suggestion, I think it's good. I was actually thinking of two types of iso: 1- Normal Lubuntu (current one) 2- Much Lighter version of Lubuntu

Problem is, we at Lubuntu Team don't have much resources and our options are somehow limited.

I wish it's not 6 months cycle or maybe more developers and testers will make the job easier.

cariboo907 said: I really disagree with having two different installation options, the only install process, should be what we have now, anyone that wants to add application post install, is welcome to it.

Running other operating systems, you have to download and install extra applications to make them usable, Ubuntu includes enough to have a usable system from the start, for extra customization, it's easy enough to add extra packages.

I also agree here. Again, maybe two different ISOs (only if we have enough resources) will give more options to those who want extra light Lubuntu.

I have done some tests recently and the results are really surprising. I'm looking for that extra Lubuntu System at the moment and NO, I don't want to build my system, I want something that will work out of the box. I don't have Wired Internet here at my room, only wireless.

cariboo907 said: There won't be an RC, beta 2 will be released March 29. 2012

+1

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule

amjjawad said: I also agree here. Again, maybe two different ISOs (only if we have enough resources) will give more options to those who want extra light Lubuntu.

I have done some tests recently and the results are really surprising. I'm looking for that extra Lubuntu System at the moment and NO, I don't want to build my system, I want something that will work out of the box. I don't have Wired Internet here at my room, only wireless.

I see there isn't an alternate install Lubuntu iso available, if there was, that should satisfy the users that want to install a lighter version of any of the Ubuntu family.

The answers to the questions from the original post are near the bottom of this post.

This post is probably too late and too little, but ...

I really, really like lxdm and have had problems with lightdm, gdm and gdm3.

To go on in at some length, I'm one of the migrants from the main edition of Ubuntu. I really like the XFCE desktop so switched to Mint XFCE, then Debian Testing XFCE, then Xubuntu 11.10, on machines with processors from P4-1.8 up to Pentium D, and 512 MB RAM to 3 GB. (I also use other distros on work machines.)

In each case I ended up, after a time, with stability problems just after logging in. Most of the time things would be fine, but occasionally I'd get a screen of death and while sometimes I could get to a terminal and login from there (and startx) sometimes I couldn't find a way out without hard booting.

Finally I tried Lubuntu 11.10 and discovered I preferred it to Xubuntu by a large margin, not just because of the stability (it's been perfect so far, after about a month, though FF 8.0 has crashed on me a couple of times, which I'm assuming is FF) but the speed is sensational, the system resource use better than XFCE (which itself is miles better than Gnome 3,) the login screen is set up as I like it (without names to choose, just type your name, then your password-yes, I know that can be configured, but with my limited knowledge I've managed it in gdm3 but not in lightdm) and switching users was nearly instantaneous. It wasn't quite as easy to configure as XFCE, but for my purposes the configuration options are, for the most part, fine.

(I'd be remiss if I didn't state I've run into one possible bug which I'll be posting about in another thread.)

Anyway, with lxdm being, to me, one of the things that made Lubuntu more attractive than some of the alternatives, it was with some dismay that I read about Lubuntu switching to lightdm for the next release, to be consistent with the other buntus.

It ain't broke. I don't understand the reason for fixing it, nor the reason for wanting all the buntus to be the same. They have different strengths and weaknesses, and to my mind lxdm is perfectly suited for Lubuntu.

To the developers-congratulations on a superb job. It's really impressive what you've done with Lubuntu.

To answer the questions from the original post:

What do you expect from Lubuntu 12.04?

I can't ask for more than what I find in Lubuntu 11.10. Beyond bug fixes, security updates etc it should remain as it is-a really lightweight gtk+ desktop environment which is reasonably easy to configure and use. Come to think of it, one small thing-it was more work than it should have been for me to get proper panel icons for Leafpad and for Gnumeric. A weather icon one can add to the panel, either on the clock like in Gnome or otherwise, would be nice.

What applications you want to see in Lubuntu 12.04?

I don't care. I get rid of many of the defaults anyway. The defaults were ok. One thing I'd look for is something akin to gthumb-a lightweight picture viewer with some picture editing functions.

What do you think will improve Lubuntu 12.04 and make it better than any other release?

I like it as it is. As LXDE itself evolves and adds a few more configuration aids, this should be a great distro. I don't think all the buntus should be the same, btw. There's a reason why I'm on Lubuntu, with 2nd choice Xubuntu, rather than the main version.

What things you DO NOT want to see or have on Lubuntu 12.04?

-a change in the display manager -instability or slowing down the system -change for change's sake -I'm sure I'm a minority here, but I'm not interested in adding a software manager similar to Ubuntu's software center. Synaptic, apt or apt-get are just fine for me. -I don't think light distros should require a DVD size iso-it just doesn't make sense to me. I think the applications should be kept minimal enough to continue to fit on a CD. Kubuntu or Ubuntu-fine, they're really for different machines anyway (though some of us like light distros even on better machines) but for a lightweight distro, supposedly good for older hardware, it seems silly to expand the iso to DVD size, as well as making things more difficult for those whose burners won't burn DVDs. I for one own several of those machines.

Whatever in your mind and you'd like to share it, please do :smile:

done, in more detail than I'm sure anyone is interested in, above.

Thanks to anyone who took the time to wade through this post.

b

Y'know, while I like Lubuntu, I keep finding myself migrating back to Kubuntu. Kate is just so much more full- featured than Gedit or any of the other notepads- the killer feature being the ability to make all my text files dos/windows style by default. Between that and having to install pyrenamer (another killer app, long story), there's just too many packages to install and its easier to stick to what I'm used to.

/sigh

Which is a damn shame, because Lubuntu is a wonderful peewee distro.

cariboo907 said: I see there isn't an alternate install Lubuntu iso available, if there was, that should satisfy the users that want to install a lighter version of any of the Ubuntu family.

http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/11.10/release/

If the overall performance after installing the alternate version will be exactly the same as the normal version of Lubuntu then this is not what I'm looking for :)

I'm looking for a version of Lubuntu that can actually work on less than 256MB of RAM. I don't like or let's say I can't use the Minimal version (I don't have wired connection, only wireless - my room is far from the router and I had to use range extender to get the signal - long story) so I'm looking for something with less services and stuff that will work on LOW RAM Machines.

However, I'll give that a try (alternate) and see the difference myself :)

Soon, will write my test results on my blog. Can't wait to do that :) I've tested many systems like Xububuntu 11.04, Ubuntu 10.04, Mint 11 LXDE, Lubuntu 11.04, Lubuntu 11.10, Peppermint and CrunchBang. I managed to produce 3 different cases: Totally Frozen Machine (Swap OFF, RAM is fully used), Very Slow (Swap ON, RAM is fully used) and Slow or Normal (Swap ON, more than 256MB RAM was used).

The machine I'm using has the ability to use 32MB for the shared Video Memory up to 256MB. For some reason, the remaining is not 256MB but 242MB instead which make things even more interesting.

teh603 said: Y'know, while I like Lubuntu, I keep finding myself migrating back to Kubuntu. Kate is just so much more full- featured than Gedit or any of the other notepads- the killer feature being the ability to make all my text files dos/windows style by default. Between that and having to install pyrenamer (another killer app, long story), there's just too many packages to install and its easier to stick to what I'm used to.

/sigh

Which is a damn shame, because Lubuntu is a wonderful peewee distro.

If I'm not mistaken, first time and that was the LAST time I was on KDE System, it was with Kubuntu 10.04 and my experience with it lasted for few mins and that's all :) Since that time, I have never ever looked into any KDE System, period.

I don't know? maybe because it gives the feeling of using Windows but Linux Style? or maybe because it's even heavier than Unity and slower? I'm not sure, I just didn't like it, sorry. However, I'm a big fan of K3b which is an KDE Application.

:)

Don't get me wrong, it's just that KDE is not my cup of tea, that's all.

Back to topic (Lubuntu), I'm glad you like Lubuntu :)

amjjawad said: If I'm not mistaken, first time and that was the LAST time I was on KDE System, it was with Kubuntu 10.04 and my experience with it lasted for few mins and that's all :)

Since that time, I have never ever looked into any KDE System, period.

I don't know? maybe because it gives the feeling of using Windows but Linux Style? or maybe because it's even heavier than Unity and slower? I'm not sure, I just didn't like it, sorry. Its because a lot of the KDE apps are more fully-featured than comparable Gnome or GTK ones- I don't have to spend an hour in the package manager installing more packages to get the features I need. KDE is also much easier to theme than GTK- based stuff.

Built-in theming, bulk renaming, and being able to create dos/windows text files by default are on my wish list for Lubuntu, by the way.

Edit: And please for the love of Pete, don't get rid of Synaptic the way main-trunk Ubuntu has!

However, I'm a big fan of K3b which is an KDE Application.

:)

Don't get me wrong, it's just that KDE is not my cup of tea, that's all.

Back to topic (Lubuntu), I'm glad you like Lubuntu :)Its got potential, it just needs to catch up.

teh603 said: Edit: And please for the love of Pete, don't get rid of Synaptic the way main-trunk Ubuntu has!

I was looking for that email where Lubuntu Team was talking about that but I can't find it. Synaptic will be there, don't worry. Not only Synaptic, I hope Lubuntu Software Center will be ready too.

Its got potential

+1

it just needs to catch up.

It just needs more resources. It's doing great IMHO.

amjjawad said: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/11.10/release/

If the overall performance after installing the alternate version will be exactly the same as the normal version of Lubuntu then this is not what I'm looking for :)

I'm looking for a version of Lubuntu that can actually work on less than 256MB of RAM. I don't like or let's say I can't use the Minimal version (I don't have wired connection, only wireless - my room is far from the router and I had to use range extender to get the signal - long story) so I'm looking for something with less services and stuff that will work on LOW RAM Machines.

However, I'll give that a try (alternate) and see the difference myself :)

Soon, will write my test results on my blog. Can't wait to do that :) I've tested many systems like Xububuntu 11.04, Ubuntu 10.04, Mint 11 LXDE, Lubuntu 11.04, Lubuntu 11.10, Peppermint and CrunchBang. I managed to produce 3 different cases: Totally Frozen Machine (Swap OFF, RAM is fully used), Very Slow (Swap ON, RAM is fully used) and Slow or Normal (Swap ON, more than 256MB RAM was used).

The machine I'm using has the ability to use 32MB for the shared Video Memory up to 256MB. For some reason, the remaining is not 256MB but 242MB instead which make things even more interesting.

The alternate install iso will install Lubuntu, the same as the Live Desktop iso, but you do have the ability to just install a CLI system, then you can add only what you need to get something that will run on a low resource system. Truefully with all the command line programs available, you don't even need a gui, which will make the system seem to fly. :)

cariboo907 said: The alternate install iso will install Lubuntu, the same as the Live Desktop iso, but you do have the ability to just install a CLI system, then you can add only what you need to get something that will run on a low resource system. Truefully with all the command line programs available, you don't even need a gui, which will make the system seem to fly. :)

I played with that a year ago with Ubuntu 10.04 server then stopped for some reason. Now, I do need that. I have a very old machine and I'm very much willing to breath new life into it using Lubuntu. It has Linux Mint 9.

[IMG]http://ubuntuforums.org/picture.php?albumid=2136&pictureid=7114[/IMG]

However, I need to figure out one important thing: How can I connect to the internet via Wireless Adapter? Again, I can't use the Wired Connection. I'm very far from the Modem and I don't have long cable. Even if I have, they will kick me out of the house if I'll use that :)

Edit: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590614 The Full Story of how I installed Linux Mint 9 on that 90% dead machine :)

amjjawad said: I was looking for that email where Lubuntu Team was talking about that but I can't find it. Synaptic will be there, don't worry. Not only Synaptic, I hope Lubuntu Software Center will be ready too.

I still haven't been able to install anything successfully from the Software Center. Tried it in Maverick, didn't work. Tried the Kubuntu version in the Ocelot, still doesn't work. I'm starting to think the damn thing won't ever work.

teh603 said: I still haven't been able to install anything successfully from the Software Center. Tried it in Maverick, didn't work. Tried the Kubuntu version in the Ocelot, still doesn't work. I'm starting to think the damn thing won't ever work.

I never use any Software Center. I use Terminal and sometimes Synaptic, that's all. However, I have to help my team (Lubuntu) so I had to do some tests on LSC (Lubuntu Software Center) which came too late thus the developers did not include it on 11.10.

amjjawad said: However, I need to figure out one important thing: How can I connect to the internet via Wireless Adapter? Again, I can't use the Wired Connection. I'm very far from the Modem and I don't have long cable. Even if I have, they will kick me out of the house if I'll use that :)

Tried using a USB dongle? Most vintage wifi cards are dicey at best; I've got a D-link one that's vintage to the Winbook, but it gives horrible kernel panics of I try to boot with it installed, because the driver was removed from the kernel way back around Hoary.

USB 3.x and 2.x devices are supposed to be 100% backwards- compatible with USB 1.0 and 1.2, right?

teh603 said: Tried using a USB dongle? Most vintage wifi cards are dicey at best; I've got a D-link one that's vintage to the Winbook, but it gives horrible kernel panics of I try to boot with it installed, because the driver was removed from the kernel way back around Hoary.

USB 3.x and 2.x devices are supposed to be 100% backwards- compatible with USB 1.0 and 1.2, right?

Ubuntu stopped supporting Thinkpad T40 wireless with Narwhal. The built in wireless is a Cisco I think. I'm on a $248 netbook, ubuntu fully supported, so I don't have the specifics at hand. Launchpad bug, developers no interest. Wireless on the T40 runs just fine with Lucid and Meerkat so in a pinch I could download a more recent .iso, however not the updates. I do zsync milestone .iso's and can send them via home network to the ubuntu unsupported Thinkpads.

I happened to have an ancient pc-card wireless around (remember those??) which had a Realtek wireless which ubuntu does support, even on an older Thinkpad R31. Lubuntu precise is O.K. on the R31. I don't care for Unity (pseudo tablet) on the T40 or the R31. The netbook does put up with Unity-xD with the annoying launchpad popping up overlaying my work all the time.

Jerry

teh603 said: Tried using a USB dongle? Most vintage wifi cards are dicey at best; I've got a D-link one that's vintage to the Winbook, but it gives horrible kernel panics of I try to boot with it installed, because the driver was removed from the kernel way back around Hoary.

To be extra clear, I was referring to: HOW TO Connect to the Internet via Wireless Adapter (I do have both PCI and USB Wireless Adapters) while I'm CLI?

I have no issues with my two adapters to connect to the Internet. My only issue is, my router is way too far from the room where my machines are sitting :)

USB 3.x and 2.x devices are supposed to be 100% backwards- compatible with USB 1.0 and 1.2, right?

No idea so I can't confirm that :)

have you tried using iwconfig ? see ``` man iwconfig

ronacc said: have you tried using iwconfig ? see ```

man iwconfig

No, I have not. Last time I was without GUI a year ago (Ubuntu 10.04 server) and since that time, I haven't tried. However, I'm trying to find some free time to breath new life into my ancient P2 machine. 

Thanks :)

Lubuntu with Unity desktop?

The 2 last times I have downloaded Lubuntu 12.04 daily build, and run it from a usb stick, it has booted into, what looks like a blue version of the Unity Desktop. Is this the future of Lubuntu?

nymark1 said: Lubuntu with Unity desktop?

The 2 last times I have downloaded Lubuntu 12.04 daily build, and run it from a usb stick, it has booted into, what looks like a blue version of the Unity Desktop. Is this the future of Lubuntu?

What does the "L" in Lubuntu stand for? answer is LXDE. LXDE is NOT Unity :)

You may see stuff like that specially with Alpha 1. With Beta 1 or 2, things will be much different. As for the final release, well, Lubuntu as we all used to see but much better this time :)

right now I'm using lubuntu 11.10 on my 4years old laptop with not to bad hardware,because bored by other distro's and not properly happy for last two editions of ubuntu(not as a distro)about cpu usage my processor fan was working often ,so it switched on the intention to downgrade to xubuntu or lubuntu.And I'm giving it a chance.I could say it is a fantastic distro ,because I can do everything I need not just surf the web ,but all the activities as a normal user.About the next edition I wish will grow-up strong and light as the best and why not soon also an ...lts:lolflag:

Thank you to all developpers and contributors for this excellent distribution!

Here are my suggestions/observations :

Why do you plain to change the display manager putting LightDM instead of LXDM? I would like Chromium replaced by _Iron_ (based on the free Sourcecode "Chromium" - without any problems at privacy and security, more details by clicking the _Chrome VS Iron link_) What about adding _LXMenuEditor_? To run it with GTK2 theme : java -Dswing.defaultlaf=com.sun.java.swing.plaf.gtk.GTKLookAndFeel -jar /*where/you/installed/it*/LXMenuEditor.jar What about including LXProxy and _Lubuntu control center_? I think adding to it : Refresh panel (lxpanelctl restart) PCManFM settings (pcmanfm --show-pref=1) Menu editor (LXMenuEditor) Hardware list (System Profiler & Benchmark) Disk Utility (palimpsest) Add/remove packages (Synaptic, Lubuntu software center when ready) Software sources (gksudo software-properties-gtk)[INDENT]icons will be very nice (the first and the second are already in _OpenSuse LXDE Control Center_). I just wrote an email to the author.[/INDENT] The ability to minimize, maximize, tile... all windows at the same time -> Openbox developpers? Intregrating _ctrlwm_?

Thank you in advance.

amjjawad said: The list of Apps that I'd like to see and have in Lubuntu 12.04 are:

[U][B]Accessories [/B][/U]

• Application/Utility to Search for Files - [COLOR=Red]Must have[/COLOR].
• Clipboard Manager - [COLOR=Red]Must have[/COLOR].

1) What about _Catfish_? 2) What about _Glippy_?

amjjawad said: [U][B]Graphics

[/B][/U]Not very important addition, just a matter of personal opinion so:

Everyone can simply install the above app so again, no big deal but IMHO, it would be so nice to have that by default. Shotwell takes 12MB RAM. [COLOR=DarkGreen]Mint LXDE[/COLOR] includes *GIMP* by default [COLOR=Red]but it takes more than 35MB of RAM upon startup without even opening any image file[/COLOR]. After all, such programs are NOT for low-specification machines. I'm just comparing here so IMHO, NO for GIMP.

• Shotwell

I understand but which image app is as good as Gimp?

amjjawad said: [U][B]

Internet: [/B][/U]

• [COLOR=Navy]Chromium[/COLOR] VS [COLOR=Red]Firefox[/COLOR] still under discussion and testing. Both are what I use so it doesn't really matter to me but again, if anything will affect the overall performance, I'll vote NO for it. As far as I know, both Fedora 16 LXDE and Mint 11 LXDE use [COLOR=Red]Firefox[/COLOR] my default. It takes 50MB on Mint LXDE upon Startup with one tab. [COLOR=Navy]Chromium[/COLOR] on Lubuntu 11.10 takes around 60MB with google.com as the only opened tab. I'll do some tests and after that will update my suggestion in here.

Chromium based web browser : one process per tab and per extention but Webkit engine is faster than Gecko one and Firefox become more and more bloatware (labyrinthine system).

amjjawad said: [*]Skype. Adding Skype is not straight forward. I've never seen any light distribution with Skype installed by default as of today but with Mint LXDE, Canonical Partner Repository is added by default and if anyone types on the Synaptic's Search Box, Skype will show up as the first choice. Just a thought **because that will save some time for our users**.

Skype is not a free software!

amjjawad said: [U][B]Office:

[/B][/U]

• Many don't really like AbiWord and I never use it but as long as it's lightweight, then please keep it :) Users can always install their favorite.

I agree.

amjjawad said: _Sound and Video_:

• VLC instead of gnome-mplayer. Do you know upon startup VLC takes less than GNOME-MPlayer? beside VLC IMHO is much stronger.
• Any possibility to replace Audacious with VLC? so one Application (VLC) for both Sound and Video?

Audacious can sound better for music thanks to its audio effects modules (Extra stereo, Crystalizer...) and it can be small for tiny display monitor thanks to Winamp classic interface.

amjjawad said: [U][B]System Tools:

[/B][/U]The poorest list in the Menu is System Tools. I wish to see more options

• Synaptic - KEEP IT PLEASE!

I agree. It allow reading and saving the installed packages list.

DDZ said: 1)

Skype is not a free software!

The last time I installed it, it was, only you had to pay to use *some* of its features.

lisati said: The last time I installed it, it was, only you had to pay to use *some* of its features.

I didn't write _freeware_ but _free software_. It is different.

Love Lubuntu for its non use of pulseaudio. As a lontime audiophile, Lubuntu is the distro of choice for making music with Audacious or MPD. Please do not go the pulseaudio route with version 12.

Last night, I thought about this. When a user installs Skype, it doesn't work as 'out of the box' in Lubuntu as in Ubuntu, because of the missing Pulseaudio. But many (new) users probably don't know that this is the reason why Skype doesn't work. The same goes for when a user wants to replace Audacious with e.g. gmusicbrowser: gmusicbrowser won't work out of the box in Lubuntu because it needs gstreamer-ugly, which doesn't come installed by default in Lubuntu.

It would be nice if there was some 'Lubuntu Application Compatability Forum Thread', in which users could post how to get some applications running optimal in Lubuntu. This way, we could continue to provide users a lightweight system, while also keeping compatability with applications that aren't installed by default.

Oh, and please, try to get something working for the 'Windows 7 window snap', because it's a really handy feature. Thanks.

bushpilot0809 said: Love Lubuntu for its non use of pulseaudio. As a lontime audiophile, Lubuntu is the distro of choice for making music with Audacious or MPD. Please do not go the pulseaudio route with version 12.

You know you can delete pulseaudio in about ten seconds...

Pithos doesn't work with Lubuntu out of the box either. It needs either the alsa and/or the ugly gstreamer plug in to work. It really should come with these. Ubuntu works out of the box with Pithos as does Linux Mint. Even adding the Lubuntu restriced extras does not get Pithos working. KBD47

KBD47 said: Pithos doesn't work with Lubuntu out of the box either. It needs either the alsa and/or the ugly gstreamer plug in to work. It really should come with these. Ubuntu works out of the box with Pithos as does Linux Mint. Even adding the Lubuntu restriced extras does not get Pithos working.

KBD47

That might just be it: it would be great if we could just install lubuntu-heavy-extras or something, which has been precompiled by the Lubuntu developers to contain pulseaudio, gstreamer-ugly, and other packages that some programs are dependent of.

It would be nice to integrate an evdev patch for enabling right mouse button emulation for touch panels as described here.

Also may be acpid should be included in order to enable physical shutdown button work out of the box.

anikol said: Also may be acpid should be included in order to enable physical shutdown button work out of the box.

Are we talking about this?

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#I_want_to_bind_the_power-button_to_change_computer_state.2C_how_do_I_do_it.3F

amjjawad said: Are we talking about this?

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#I_want_to_bind_the_power-button_to_change_computer_state.2C_how_do_I_do_it.3F

Yes :oops: May be it should be included as a standard feature.

But anyway thanks for sharing. I have been looking it for a while and finally resolved the problem through acpi.

anikol said: Yes :oops:

May be it should be included as a standard feature.

But anyway thanks for sharing. I have been looking it for a while and finally resolved the problem through acpi.

Julien, if I'm not mistaken said that he'll add that on Lubuntu 12.04 and it should be the default action :)

You are welcome. I'm at your service and at anyone's service whoever is interested in Lubuntu :)

Congratulation to EVERYONE who contributed and supported LSC :)

Hi,

Just a quick good news, lubuntu-software-center was accepted in Ubuntu repositories, it should be available in precise for everyone, in a few hours / days.

Congratulation to all people who developed, tested and translated this nice application :)

Regards,[IMG]https://mail.google.com/mail/images/cleardot.gif[/IMG]

[COLOR=#888888]Julien Lavergne[/COLOR]

The Lubuntu Software Center is impressive. Much faster than anything I've used except for Synaptic Package Manager. KBD47

Although Lubuntu Software Centre is a really good idea in principle, I feel it suffers from a serious drawback - one that Ubuntu Software Centre suffers from as well, but Synaptic Package Manager does not.

With Lubuntu/Ubuntu software centre it is really easy to accidentally install a package that has loads of dependencies from other desktop environments (KDE, gnome etc) without realising it until it is too late. I know because I have done this myself! This can slow the system down, especially one with low resources, and removing all the extra packages isn't always straightforward.

With Synaptic it always states before installation 'the following packages will also be installed' and gives a list - if it has loads of packages starting with a 'k' I know I am in trouble, and abort the install.

It would be nice if the Lubuntu software centre let the user know which packages were also going to be installed, and also if somehow it could tell the user if the package isn't really designed to go with Lubuntu.

@jontheid

Hello there :)

First thing first, thank you for choosing and using Lubuntu and also thank you for testing Lubuntu Software Center :)

Allow me to clear some possible misunderstanding. As far as I know, your system will be slower when more files will be loaded in RAM. Sometimes, your system will totally be NOT responding if you have small size of RAM and NO SWAP OR small size of RAM with small size of SWAP and in both cases, the space which is allocated to programs to run is NOT enough and whatever is running will use the available space. I have produced this status and I can confirm that my system was totally not responding.

Now, if we are talking about slower system then: Unused RAM is Wasted RAM, period.

I have 2GB RAM on a machine with P4 and I have never ever noticed when the physical RAM is fully used. I have 512MB RAM on P4 machine (another one) and when it starts being slow, I know the whole RAM is being used and the system has started to use SWAP as well.

If you have an old machine, you need to know what app is light and what app is not. If your machine is capable of running any app then allow me to advise and suggest that there is absolutely no need to worry about "dependencies".

If that's all not enough, please read this from PCMan himself:

Almost always, we add dependencies because the program needs them at "runtime".

Most of time, these deps, especially the libraries, will be loaded at runtime as well. The most important issue is how much RAM is needed by programs constantly running throughout the whole desktop session. (web browser, panel, file manager, desktop manager, session manager, other dbus services...)

If that still NOT clear, please do let me know :)

Thank you!

KBD47 said: The Lubuntu Software Center is impressive. Much faster than anything I've used except for Synaptic Package Manager.

KBD47

I agree, it should be speeding up still further soon, Stephen just put in a couple of patches.

jontheid said: Although Lubuntu Software Centre is a really good idea in principle, I feel it suffers from a serious drawback - one that Ubuntu Software Centre suffers from as well, but Synaptic Package Manager does not.

With Lubuntu/Ubuntu software centre it is really easy to accidentally install a package that has loads of dependencies from other desktop environments (KDE, gnome etc) without realising it until it is too late. I know because I have done this myself! This can slow the system down, especially one with low resources, and removing all the extra packages isn't always straightforward.

With Synaptic it always states before installation 'the following packages will also be installed' and gives a list - if it has loads of packages starting with a 'k' I know I am in trouble, and abort the install.

It would be nice if the Lubuntu software centre let the user know which packages were also going to be installed, and also if somehow it could tell the user if the package isn't really designed to go with Lubuntu.

While we (the Lubuntu team, Stephen Smally, and myself), *could* implement a warning against certain packages (for instance, anything tagged KDE or Qt-based), it would likely be more annoying than anything else, especially for users that need a k-app. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, feel free to take it up with us on launchpad, but that's not a forums issue IMO. It would also slow down LSC, defeating the point of the app.

Also, LSC already shows the dependencies the package will install, those have been there for as long as I've been with the project, and I think in the stable release too, IDK what you're running. Obviously, it doesn't show all package dependencies, only ones that will be installed, if that's what you meant. Otherwise things like libc and coreutils would be everywhere.

I hope this helps matters. :)

I'm going to attach a screenshot that should be clear enough to everyone :)

amjjawad said:

• What do you expect from Lubuntu 12.04?
• What applications you want to see in Lubuntu 12.04?
• What do you think will improve Lubuntu 12.04 and make it better than any other release?
• What things you DO NOT want to see or have on Lubuntu 12.04?
• Whatever in your mind and you'd like to share it, please do :)

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/880084

• A light stable distro that runs well. Pretty much what it is already
• It's my preferred netbook OS, so it already has pretty much everything I really need.
• The default theming could do with some work and polish. Lubuntu is what it is; I don't think being "better" should be the goal unless you count being smaller, tighter, faster and more efficient as "better". Personally I think Lubuntu is already "better" for the purposes that I use it for. I have other machines with Ubuntu on them if that is what I need.
• Software Bloat. A lot of the other distros seem to be tending to more complexity and features and this is noticeably impacting on performance, especially on single core machines.
• Keep up the great work. We really need a very light distro for those that have older hardware or just like it that way. Keep up with the bug fixes however many are upstream bugs such as Network Manager:

Thankyou!

From Stephen:

Hi Guys, i'm working a little on LxFind, here the news:

• The PPA is ready (is package into the lubuntu ppa so you should only update and install it)
• I added the backends for locate and find and polished a little the interface (these changes are building)

The Native GLib backend was a bit slow, but the find backend is quite fast (is setted by default). sadly locate doesn't admit a base directory (i think so), so the locate backend search filesystem-widely.

Hope this little utility can help ;-)

RegardsEdit:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa

sudo apt-get update

sudo apt-get install lxfind

Suggestion for future Lubuntu: brightness control plug in for the panel. Xfce has this with xfce-power-manager-plugin which is very handy. Even if fn up/down buttons work to control brightness on a netbook or laptop, that brightness plugin is more precise, does a better job and keeps its setting. Also curious if the space increase beside battery icon after suspend has been in 12.04, or will soon be fixed. Thanks. KBD47

KBD47 said: Suggestion for future Lubuntu: brightness control plug in for the panel. Xfce has this with xfce-power-manager-plugin which is very handy. Even if fn up/down buttons work to control brightness on a netbook or laptop, that brightness plugin is more precise, does a better job and keeps its setting.

Also curious if the space increase beside battery icon after suspend has been in 12.04, or will soon be fixed. Thanks. KBD47

Yes, and a volume indicator would also be nice :-). Currently, when adjusting the brightness, a very handy popup will come. It would be easy if the same popup could appear when adjusting the volume.

Lubuntu (lxde) already comes with a volume indicator - look in 'panel preferences/panel applets'.

I agree with the bike-helmet-guy about chromium's bookmark issue, i want to like chromium, but it is a headache if you have lots of bookmarks.

While i'd also like to repeat the call for non-bloat/feature-creep, here are a few extra things that work well on my Lubuntu hp-mini:

weather indicator - just sits there politely in sys tray

cairo-compmgr - much lighter than compiz (wouldn't suggest this as default, though)

gnome-sushi - a 'hit-the-spacebar' media previewer for nautilus. also seems to work fine in pcmanfm

tea text editor - looks a little weird, but nicer for working on html than leafpad, and probably lighter than gedit (it's tabbed like gedit, too)

I can think of one last thing that may sort of make Lubuntu feel more 'officially Ubuntu': borrow a few of Ubuntu's default wallpapers - the 11.10 one's are really nice.

Lubuntu is awesome, keep it the great work!

a z said: Lubuntu (lxde) already comes with a volume indicator - look in 'panel preferences/panel applets'.

Let me rephrase that: a volume indicator that shows the current volume, or, even better, a volume notification popup.

KBD47 said: Suggestion for future Lubuntu: brightness control plug in for the panel. Xfce has this with xfce-power-manager-plugin which is very handy. Even if fn up/down buttons work to control brightness on a netbook or laptop, that brightness plugin is more precise, does a better job and keeps its setting.

Also curious if the space increase beside battery icon after suspend has been in 12.04, or will soon be fixed. Thanks. KBD47

Hello there my friend :)

Have you tried that yourself? are you sure it works better? I never tried it but I assume you did. If yes, please open a bug under "lubuntu-default-settings" package so that Julien and other Developers will see it and never forget it.

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings

I'm using Mint 12 with Xfce4 desktop installed right now with the xfce4-power-manager-plugin for brightness control. It is great, I just add it to my panel and have precise brightness control. BTW Mint 11 LXDE has brightness control included. KBD47

KBD47 said: I'm using Mint 12 with Xfce4 desktop installed right now with the xfce4-power-manager-plugin for brightness control. It is great, I just add it to my panel and have precise brightness control. BTW Mint 11 LXDE has brightness control included.

KBD47

Not good enough, my friend. You need to test that on "Lubuntu" not Mint :) We can't just assume it will work just because it worked on another system. Lubuntu is not Mint LXDE and will never be.

So, I suggest to try that on Lubuntu and you can get back to me.

Our team now has sub-teams and our job became much easier as every team know what they have to do and how :) Let me know if you need anything ;)

I'm actually not sure Mint LXDE uses the Xfce brightness control, they may use a Gnome brightness control, I just remember that it had one when I used it last Fall. Xfce brightness control may not work in LXDE, the panel control is different, my suggestion was that Lubuntu have/get a brightness control as a future feature. KBD47

Hello to all involved in [COLOR="Blue"]Lubuntu[/COLOR] testing and congratulations for the quality level achieved in so little time!

I use Ubuntu (single boot) for 5 years in various computers and I used to recommend LXDE or XFCE as an alternative to gnome for older PCs. Recently due to some personal difficulties using unity, I tried [COLOR="Blue"]Lubuntu[/COLOR] 11.10 to my laptop which attracted me with the simple, classic (menu driven) and certainly faster desktop environment.

Working with [COLOR="Blue"]Lubuntu[/COLOR] I faced some difficulties which bypassed with some workarounds, but I think these points could be improved for newcomers to [COLOR="Blue"]Lubuntu[/COLOR].

At this time I am testing the [COLOR="Blue"]Lubuntu[/COLOR] 12.04 and my first difficulty was to determine the two needed keyboard layouts as described into [[COLOR="brown"] this thread. [/COLOR]]("http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1911677") Can you suggest anything? What is the "typical procedure" http://www.hlektronika.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=61227&page=2&p=491341http://www.hlektronika.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=61227&page=2&p=491341#post491341#post491341used by LXDE developers working with at least 2 keyboard layouts?http://www.hlektronika.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=61227&page=2&p=491341#post491341

edit: I found the "Lubuntu 12.04 Testing ..." thread! Some other issues occurred like "lost unity-greeter login screen" and "touchpad double click drag and drop is not working". Is it better to open a new thread to "Ubuntu +1" category or posting into a "[COLOR="Blue"]Lubuntu[/COLOR] specific" testing thread and which one?

Regards, George

I just want to tell you how pleased I am with the 12.04 release.

I was holding my laptop back to the 11.04 release for simple reasons, theme changes and performance. Now I have updated to 12.04 ( and copied over all the 11.04 theme) and the resulting system works very well. I was happy to see the right-click short cut. The only real problem I had is that Firefox tends to mess up the graphics card. Since the latest update that is better but I still see a bit of it. I am sure that this has a lot to do with the ATI Radeon X1270 (RS690M) graphics card and the driver. I know I had a lot of trouble with this combo on Ubuntu/Xubuntu.

My base system a Gateway netbook model LT31 includes xcompmgr and the Cairo dock. I use to have it dual booted with WIN7/Lubuntu 11.04. Lubuntu is sooo good that it is now just Lubuntu 12.04

Thanks Guys! :D

KBD47 said: I'm actually not sure Mint LXDE uses the Xfce brightness control, they may use a Gnome brightness control, I just remember that it had one when I used it last Fall.

What is the package name? I'm on Linux Mint LXDE 11 on my Test PC (have Multi-System) and the only XFCE package that is installed is: xfce-keyboard-shortcuts. I see many GNOME packages installed but not sure which one is dealing with brightness. After all, I don't have a test laptop.

Xfce brightness control may not work in LXDE, the panel control is different, my suggestion was that Lubuntu have/get a brightness control as a future feature.

KBD47

Well, I hope that :) LSC, LXFind and LXScreenshots and God knows what else in the way :) so far so good. We are trying our best :)

There should be a way to adjust brightness in Mint 11 LDXE from power management or under appearance or by right clicking on the desktop under desktop settings. Someone with LXDE Mint should be able to confirm this. I'm waiting for Mint 12 LXDE before I revisit Mint LXDE. I just remember that brightness control from the menu on LXDE Mint was the one big difference from Lubuntu. KBD47

1- Lubuntu 12.04 Power PC

[COLOR=#500050][FONT=arial]> Does anyone know the status of official PPC builds when 12.04 is official? Julien?

[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial]PPC is available for testing. It will be official if the ISO is tested[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial]during 12.04 development cycle, like other ISO. So yes, it's officially[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial]on the way :)[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial]Regards,[/FONT][/COLOR]2) GDebi Package Installer Will remain in Lubuntu 12.04 as it's even with Lubuntu Software Center being included by default.

3- Lubuntu Software Center Can be installed on any Ubuntu Variant. It's officially in the repositories of Lubuntu 12.04.

4- LxFind As of now, it will not be included by default in Lubuntu 12.04. However, you will still be able to install it via Lubuntu PPA.

5- LxScreenshot Not yet decided whether to be added by default in Lubuntu 12.04 or not?

6- Wubi It should be available with Lubuntu 12.04.

7- Artwork https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Precise/Ozone

[B]8- Lubuntu Sub-Teams [/B]Now, Lubuntu is more organized than before and we are having Sub-Teams, each team is free to organize themselves and do specific tasks.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams[B]

[COLOR=Black]9) [/COLOR]Social Networking[/B]

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ContactUs

• Official Lubuntu Page on Facebook
• Official Lubuntu Group on Facebook
• Official Lubuntu Page on Google+

[COLOR=Red]10- Lubuntu NEW Mailing List[/COLOR] To subscribe to the list : https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users

That is all what I have to share with you :)

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/lubuntu-12-04-default-wallpaper-revealed/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28OMG%21+Ubuntu%21%29

1 Right Click on Icon > Create Shortcut on Desktop We need simple ability to send shortcuts to desktop.

2 Last visited web pages (arrow), drop down list for web browser. (I installed Lubuntu on 3 frends machines, they all wanted this feature)

3 Remove all pictures for look and feel that belong to Ubuntu and are not needed for Lubuntu.

4 More themes

5 Customize Look and Feel/Window Border/Theme (apply automaticaly when different theme is clicked, without need to click Apply button)

6 Graphic view of used and free space on hard disk.

Lubuntu is great, but I'm glad you asked because it's missing a few simple things:

1: 'Preferences > Preferred Applications' should include more than just browser and email options; such as office documents and video file playback(vlc).

2:*Option* to have a desktop trash icon (I know you are keeping it light but even OS's in 95' had the option easily available for a desktop trash bin)

3: "Keyboards Shortcuts/Hotkeys" application in the Preferences. (it would be nice to have an easier method to, for example, edit the hotkeys for switching desktops, or open programs)

4: Go ahead and include the "Lubuntu Software Center" in the System Tools, just for kicks.;)

If i had the same release as last time with the above added, I'd be perfectly happy for quite a long time.

I don't like the new artwork for 12.04 - IMHO the bright grey on blue approach looks too much like Windows 95/98. The current (11.10) look is more to my liking. I know artwork and design is very subjective ...

DarthBrady said:

4: Go ahead and include the "Lubuntu Software Center" in the System Tools, just for kicks.;)

That's a fair point. I'll fix ASAP. :P

:oops:-I didn't do the desktop file, but that is embarassing that nobody noticed.

MG&TL said: That's a fair point. I'll fix ASAP. :P

:oops:-I didn't do the desktop file, but that is embarassing that nobody noticed.

Thanks, I found the LSC via the tip I found in the One Stop Thread. I think whether you like using the Lubuntu Software Center over Synaptic or you don't, perhaps if it was already pre-installed in the next release, maybe it will give Lubuntu a more "established" feel (for lack of better term on my behalf)for users of other Ubuntu related distros who may be tempted to make the switch to Lubuntu or at least try out the live disc. :wink:

Also while I am here, I'd like to make one more Lubuntu suggestion: Please don't change the pre-installed programs too much if you can avoid it - The fact that Lubuntu still uses the good old Linux software such as Pidgin, which I am used to instead of changing to some newer program like empathy, which I am not used to and didn't want to learn because I was already happy with the software I had been using - Is a BIG reason why I so easily switched to Lubuntu. Everything I needed and was used to was already there (except LibreOffice but that's ok I'd rather install it myself anyway if needed); and I didn't have to spend any time removing any unwanted weight from my system after a fresh install. :D

sorry for the long rant just had to get it off my mind

when will there be an lts

There won't be a Lubuntu LTS version until the 14.04 release.

@ the LSC thing-fixed in the latest, so I guess it will be released for 12.04

as for adding support for a key binding GUI, I got help installing 'ObKey' using this method: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1883847&highlight=PyGTK

Perhaps this could be added in a future release so we dont have to input so much into a terminal to open the program everytime I need to run lightweight key binding GUI?

(note: I used the method at the URL above, because the .deb packaged Oneiric version of ObKey will not run unless I install a bunch of PyGTK stuff, which I was trying to avoid)

cariboo907 said: There won't be a Lubuntu LTS version until the 14.04 release.

We did not decide that yet ;) Or let's say, it's too early to talk about it right now!

zaoka said: 2 Last visited web pages (arrow), drop down list for web browser. (I installed Lubuntu on 3 frends machines, they all wanted this feature)

Hi,

If I understood your post correctly, then this feature has nothing to do with Lubuntu as an OS, it is a feature that a Web Browser Related. Speaking of which, Chromium and Firefox if I'm not work both have such feature. Chromium is the default browser in Lubuntu. You can see the "Recently Closed" tabs and "Most Visit" Pages when you click on (+) which will open a new page with the last visited pages.

3 Remove all pictures for look and feel that belong to Ubuntu and are not needed for Lubuntu.

Where is that? there is nothing from Ubuntu :)

MG&TL said: @ the LSC thing-fixed in the latest, so I guess it will be released for 12.04

LSC is already under System Tools and YES, LSC will be included by default with Lubuntu 12.04 :)

How about some way to play .ogg sound files? Currently no command line app to do this or can it be done via mplayer. See this thread

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1917685

FFabian said: I don't like the new artwork for 12.04 - IMHO the bright grey on blue approach looks too much like Windows 95/98. The current (11.10) look is more to my liking. I know artwork and design is very subjective ...

No problem. I put up my own picture of my wife at a beautiful Australian beach.

makitso said: How about some way to play .ogg sound files? Currently no command line app to do this or can it be done via mplayer. See this thread

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1917685

Whatever will make Lubuntu slow, I'll personally vote against it and be sure none of our developers will go for such thing :)

If this something you'd like to see in Lubuntu 12.04, I can assure you it will never happen. If it's a personal wish, check your thread, I posted a link where you can find the answer :)

FFabian said: I don't like the new artwork for 12.04 - IMHO the bright grey on blue approach looks too much like Windows 95/98. The current (11.10) look is more to my liking. I know artwork and design is very subjective ...

This is a personal opinion matter and as you may know, there is no way we can make every user happy with what he/she wants to see or waiting to see, that is why it's quite easy to change the "default" look to whatever you like :)

amjjawad said: LSC is already under System Tools and YES, LSC will be included by default with Lubuntu 12.04 :)

You have the PPA. AFAIK, not fixed in repos yet.

Here's to 12.04! :D

MG&TL said: You have the PPA. AFAIK, not fixed in repos yet.

Here's to 12.04! :D

As far as I can remember, I have installed LSC from Synaptic not via the PPA. However, I do have the PPA so I can install LXScreenshot, etc.

I just downloaded the Lubuntu daily live and fired it up. To my dismay it was the unity desktop with lubuntu software. Is this the direction Lubuntu headed? If so, I will be going to PCLinuxOS LXDE because I don't like Unity.

cgraham said: I just downloaded the Lubuntu daily live and fired it up. To my dismay it was the unity desktop with lubuntu software. Is this the direction Lubuntu headed? If so, I will be going to PCLinuxOS LXDE because I don't like Unity.

You are posting on Lubuntu 12.04 thread under Ubuntu +1 (Precise Pangolin) Sub-Forum. Which means, we are all here testing the upcoming release. We are testing Alpha and such stuff is expected. Please, DO NOT freak out.

Please read this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11657083&postcount=37

Lubuntu = LXDE + Ubuntu I don't see Unity over there!

amjjawad said: We did not decide that yet ;)

Or let's say, it's too early to talk about it right now!

Go back and read your first post in this thread

cariboo907 said: Go back and read your first post in this thread

I'm sure I never mentioned that and if you insist, please: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11398991&postcount=1

;)

Where did I mention about 14.04 being LTS?

@amjjawad, I didn't suggest that you wrote that there wouldn't be an LTS version of Lubuntu, but this is a copy and paste directly from your first post in this thread:

From: Julien Lavergne

Quote: You can now follow the progress of Lubuntu development on status.ubuntu.com. Quote: LTS : Again, it's not a choice which depends on the users, but a decision made by the developers. Of course I would like to be LTS, like I would like to buy an expensive car. The fact is, we can't. And even if we try, it could be so expensive that it will block us to do new cool stuff, because we have to maintain 12.04.

I was only going by what was contained in the first post in this thread.

cariboo907 said: @amjjawad, I didn't suggest that you wrote that there wouldn't be an LTS version of Lubuntu....

I'm drawn like a moth to a flame to the latest development totally unstable ubuntu's, usually lubuntu and unity-2D for the moment....so I wouldn't run an LTS hardly.

Now I do keep around an LTS in this case lucid lynx 10.04.3 for utility work like zsync and trying to clean up the wreckage from the development release. 10.04.3 is for me fast, efficient, and it works.

That said I'm back to ....trying.... to get precise pangolin installed on a couple pc's. Broke the boot record twice on my fast notebook, I think it's recovered O.K. Maybe.

Now my fast netbook's another matter. Broke boot big time with attempted precise pangolin install yesterday, grub doesn't even come up....no CD drive so maybe a rescue USB??

Isn't this fun...

Jerry

cariboo907 said: @amjjawad, I didn't suggest that you wrote that there wouldn't be an LTS version of Lubuntu, but this is a copy and paste directly from your first post in this thread:

From: Julien Lavergne

You can now follow the progress of Lubuntu development on status.ubuntu.com. Quote: LTS : Again, it's not a choice which depends on the users, but a decision made by the developers. Of course I would like to be LTS, like I would like to buy an expensive car. The fact is, we can't. And even if we try, it could be so expensive that it will block us to do new cool stuff, because we have to maintain 12.04. I was only going by what was contained in the first post in this thread.

Obviously, everyone is not at the same page so:

1- A user asked this question on this post:

rgreener25 said: when will there be an lts

2- You replied him with this answer on this post:

cariboo907 said: There won't be a Lubuntu LTS version until the 14.04 release.

3- I then replied your post with this answer on this post:

amjjawad said: We did not decide that yet :wink:

Or let's say, it's too early to talk about it right now!

4- You asked this on this post:

cariboo907 said: Go back and read your first post in this thread

5- Finally, this is what my answer on this post:

amjjawad said: I'm sure I never mentioned that and if you insist, please: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11398991&postcount=1

:wink:

Where did I mention about 14.04 being LTS?

6- OK, so to finish this once and for all:

On behalf of Lubuntu Team since I'm the Coordinator of Lubuntu Support Team and the 2nd guy in Lubuntu Communication Team, I humbly confirm that _Lubuntu 14.04_ is NOT yet decided whether it is going to be a Long Term Support (LTS) Release or not because simply it's too early to talk about that now.

I also confirm that _Lubuntu 12.04_ is NOT going to be LTS, period. Why? please go back to Julien's reply regarding this issue.

Hope it's clear now to *everyone*.

I'm going to update the first post because seriously, asking whether Lubuntu 12.04 will be LTS or not has become redundant. :)

Thank you :)

Updated!

i love this distro. But i have a complain.. when i use blender i have problems with alt key because is assign to move windows ... please make tis configurable ... :D

Hello, I just tried the Lubuntu 12.04 Alpha 2, it works fine, I might be blind, however I can not see anything new, except the desktop background.

Seeing it is firmly decided that 12.04 will not be a LTS like the rest of the Ubuntu stable, I would have thought there would be some cutting edge software or developments, something new, but maybe I am blind, although the release notes don't mention much, only - > Only Alternate images are available for Alpha 2 A new software-center optimized for Lubuntu available by default.

At least Unity doesn't show and it works, I do realise it's only in alpha but I just can't see a reason yet to get excited about this upgrade.

Hopefully I am wrong and [COLOR="Blue"]Lubuntu 12.04[/COLOR] will blow us away.

Rodney

I would have thought there would be some cutting edge software or developments, something new, but maybe I am blind, although the release notes don't mention much

Rodney9, emphasis on Pangolin is "LTS" which means "stability", i.e. don't rock the boat, don't expect revolutions if the goal is "stability". Lots of changes are unstable so don't expect them.

Now if you expect some revolution see the header to the forum and follow the links to Alpha 2 and HUD heads up display. That's based on unity-3D with all its overhead and extra in-line code. Expect breakage. I tried the HUD ppa and got a crash of course.

My view Lubuntu and Xubuntu are meant for smaller installations and speed, while Unity-3D and HUD are for very large installations and lots and lots of code expect to have a DVD or a BIG USB. That's where the "cutting edge" will crash. Often.

Choices. I try all of the above, this is a Acer Aspire1 $250 netbook which will do it all, and I've even seen a "black" version at Wallmart for $200.

Have fun, Jerry

jerrylamos said: Rodney9, emphasis on Pangolin is "LTS" which means "stability", i.e. don't rock the boat, don't expect revolutions if the goal is "stability". Lots of changes are unstable so don't expect them.

Now if you expect some revolution see the header to the forum and follow the links to Alpha 2 and HUD heads up display. That's based on unity-3D with all its overhead and extra in-line code. Expect breakage. I tried the HUD ppa and got a crash of course.

My view Lubuntu and Xubuntu are meant for smaller installations and speed, while Unity-3D and HUD are for very large installations and lots and lots of code expect to have a DVD or a BIG USB. That's where the "cutting edge" will crash. Often.

Choices. I try all of the above, this is a Acer Aspire1 $250 netbook which will do it all, and I've even seen a "black" version at Wallmart for $200.

Have fun, Jerry

I agree Jerry, we don't wont it crashing, my point was that this will not be a LTS so it could try somethings new.

Cutting edge or new software doesn't have to mean bloat or unstable, I'm sure we all wish for more speed and ways to work better and easier.

Any way I just hope it runs better, it looks exactly the same so far in this alpha 2. I was hoping for some change for the better.

Rodney

Where can I get the Lubuntu 12.04 alpha? All a search turns up is the alternate cd: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/precise/alpha-2/ Thanks. KBD47

KBD47 said: Where can I get the Lubuntu 12.04 alpha? All a search turns up is the alternate cd:

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/precise/alpha-2/ Thanks. KBD47

That is it, I don't know why it's named Alternate, not Lubuntu.

Rodney

Thanks Rodney! That 'alternate' bit threw me. KBD47

KBD47 said: Thanks Rodney! That 'alternate' bit threw me.

KBD47

I believe there are two links ..

The daily build link is:

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/

Thanks!

Alternate is the alt install disk. It is not a Live CD it is an text installation.

This is, many times, more reliable than the Live CD and its installer in dev releases such 12.04 is.

I'm the one that pulled the plug on the Lubuntu Alpha 2 live image because of this:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11655826&postcount=1

It was fixed just hours later. I'd actually hoped to delay the entire Ubuntu Alpha 2 release at least 24 hours but I failed in that regard.

AFAIK this live image would have been Alpha 2, and it's OK:

http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/206/builds/11180/downloads

Presumably the daily builds will also be OK unless there is a regression.

I didn't recognize this as a bug until it was too late:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/925358

I have since requested that the release notes and download links be updated to reflect that change but I'm being ignored.

I set up to zsync on daily live current to avoid the network overload on the announce sites. You can check md5sums if you wish.

Jerry:)

lubuntu 12.04 A2 daily build Feb 4 won't boot on IBM Thinkpad T40 "kernel requires pae".

Actually running lubuntu 12.04 Alpha 1 updated to today running O.K.

Nice peppy responsive notebook. I'd think it was the perfect target for lubuntu. Not so.

Jerry

Just got the new lubuntu current daily 12.04 loaded on my flash drive using the (dd) command which is a much faster method for me. It seems to work pretty well on my Dell D620 Dual Core.

Yes the default kernel is the PAE kernel just like kansasnoob has been saying which seems a bit strange on Lubuntu..

It took me awhile to find the screenshot command ``` scrot -d5

Then I tricked/installed the b43 folder in /lib/firmware to get wireless up and post.  Lots of fun..

If there hasn't been a bug reported about the pae kernel being installed by default, there should be, as the non-pae i386 kernel is available in the repositories.

cariboo907 said: If there hasn't been a bug reported about the pae kernel being installed by default, there should be, as the non-pae i386 kernel is available in the repositories.

My assumption from all I've read is that the pae kernel is now default for Ubuntu and all official derivatives. Is this incorrect?

kansasnoob said: My assumption from all I've read is that the pae kernel is now default for Ubuntu and all official derivatives. Is this incorrect?

It sure appears to be so on the 32 bit kernels as far as I can see. I did revert to the non-pae kernel on my regular install here and it works about the same.

Linux greg 3.2.0-12-generic #21-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 31 18:40:37 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

I just double checked on my old VIA C-7 box with 1GB of RAM. I used it for installing the Lubuntu alternate Alpha 2 image and Lubuntu live 20120202 image (both i386) and they both have the pae kernel.

I don't notice any problems with that though, at least not yet :)

This was I think the roughest iso-testing I recall ever encountering. First of all it was a bit short, only about 48 hours, but that's not altogether unusual.

But along with a number of rebuilds I encountered a lot of installer crashes and glitches. I think most of these are now either fixed, or soon will be.

But I also encountered network problems with my wired LAN which is incredibly rare, and all combined I'd originally suspected that the pae kernel may have been at fault, but that appears to have been untrue ;)

kansasnoob said: I just double checked on my old VIA C-7 box with 1GB of RAM. I used it for installing the Lubuntu alternate Alpha 2 image and Lubuntu live 20120202 image (both i386) and they both have the pae kernel.

I don't notice any problems with that though, at least not yet :)

This was I think the roughest iso-testing I recall ever encountering. First of all it was a bit short, only about 48 hours, but that's not altogether unusual.

But along with a number of rebuilds I encountered a lot of installer crashes and glitches. I think most of these are now either fixed, or soon will be.

But I also encountered network problems with my wired LAN which is incredibly rare, and all combined I'd originally suspected that the pae kernel may have been at fault, but that appears to have been untrue ;) I for one appreciate your iso testing.. I do a little and wish I had time to do more.. You have even got me looking at Lubuntu as an alternative THX:D

It will be interesting to see if the kernel team changes the default kernel back to non-pae as we near April..

The pae kernel is supposed to be the default, but there should be some sort of mechanism to detect if it is needed or not, there are still quite a few non-pae cpu's in use, and if by final release they aren't detected and the proper kernel loaded, we are going to see quite a few supportthreads about the problem.

I've got an older Celeron in the shop, if I get the time next week, I may try a Lubuntu install to see what happens.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/926893

If you agree, please click on: This bug affects 1 person. Does this bug affect you?

It's been decided it's not a bug but an opinion and it doesn't really matter what you/they/someone call it, what does matter is someone needs to highlight it.

Now, there is some discussion on the mailing list that this MUST be tested before deciding whether to add such feature or not?

If you'd like to help, try to test whether adding a clipboard will affect the overall performance or not?

> The first question that is always going to be asked is "does it make the system heavier, and if so by how much". To combat this each and every suggestion should have had testing to show that it doesn't add any RAM usage, has very little hdd footprint and requires little to no space on the install CD.

cariboo907 said: The pae kernel is supposed to be the default, but there should be some sort of mechanism to detect if it is needed or not, there are still quite a few non-pae cpu's in use, and if by final release they aren't detected and the proper kernel loaded, we are going to see quite a few supportthreads about the problem.

I've got an older Celeron in the shop, if I get the time next week, I may try a Lubuntu install to see what happens.

Lubuntu A2 .iso won't boot on my IBM Thinkpad T40 which is running Lubuntu A1 just fine for an alpha. I forget the exact A2 message. Early in boot it says the kernel requires pae.

I looked at the CD daily build current and didn't notice any non-pae .iso's there?

The T40 is 1.5 gHz Pentium M 1 gb memory etc. quad booted with lynx, precise, lubuntu precise. It's quite responsive and quick on the internet.

Jerry

Update: I did get the Feb 7 .iso to boot and install on the T40. ls /boot shows pae kernel files. I don't have that Lubuntu up at the moment because of some screw up with multi-boot update-grub and grub-install. (likely fumble finger on my part)

What do you expect from Lubuntu 12.04? What applications you want to see in Lubuntu 12.04? What do you think will improve Lubuntu 12.04 and make it better than any other release? What things you DO NOT want to see or have on Lubuntu 12.04? Whatever in your mind and you'd like to share it, please do

I submitted a note a couple of months back on the alpha 1 release. A couple of days ago, I downloaded the alpha 2 version.

I reiterate my hope to see VLC as the default streaming audio player. As noted by others, VLC is also an excellent video player, so its inclusion renders the other players obsolete--they should all be removed, to save space/time for the cdrom. If the garage only has space sufficient for one automobile, are you going to park your 2012 Mercedes convertible out on the street, in order to save space for your 1997 Ford Festiva?

To convince folks that the current omission of VLC, and the concomitant inclusion of remarkably inept audio players is unacceptable, one need only visit

http://www.listenlive.eu/classical.html

and click on a few icons. You will hear nothing, using the crappy streaming audio players included with Lubuntu 12.04.

I typically test by clicking on OGG first, from http://www.rozhlas.cz/d-dur/portal/ then a couple of mp3 stations, usually German, Belgian, Austrian, or Dutch. Finally, I test aac+ at my favorite French station, Accent 4, or the Swedish station http://sverigesradio.se/sida/default.aspx?programID=1603

Now, download Opera, and VLC, and the infernal gstreamerugly, and try again!!! Everything works, properly. If one is permitted only a single browser, Opera trumps the others. I like Sea Monkey, Opera, and Chromium, and have all three installed, on all computers. They are each quirky in their own way, but Opera is essential for my work, the others are simply convenient.

In Lubuntu 12.04 gstreamerugly must be installed, via synaptic, to get VLC to play aac+, as it does with other Linux distros (but without having to download gstreamerugly). It is absurd that this codec is not included on the distro by default. I urge developers to download and test CrunchBang, which also uses the same Debian installer, so it should feel very comfortable to the current batch of Lubuntu developers. Unlike Lubuntu, VLC is installed by default, with CrunchBang. Unlike Lubuntu, clicking on one of those icons at Mike's classical music web site, above, results in MUSIC. VLC works right out of the box, the user has nothing to do, but enjoy the music. Nothing to download. Nothing to configure. Nothing to install.

The installation program for Lubuntu 12.04 is no longer the Ubuntu installer (best in the business, in my opinion, because it asks the user whether or not he/she seeks autologin.) The current installer is, so far as I can determine, the Debian installer. That is not a terrible installer, but it omits that question of automatic login, so crucial for my own purpose, i.e. internet radio station. As with any traditional radio, I turn on my computer, and listen to music, without wasting time on login/passwords. Unlike Lubuntu 11.04, for example, the installer FAILS to ask the user to complete paperwork, WHILE DOWNLOADING, to save the user some time. Further, the 11.04 installer offers the user an option to install the notorious mp3 software, so essential to running the internet radio station.

I cannot find a method to accomplish automatic login, at present. So, in that regard, this "new" version of Lubuntu is utterly useless to me. If there is a method available to permit the user to accomplish autologin, it is not transparent, as it should be. PCLOS LXDE, for example, ALSO does not offer autologin, during installation, but does provide a simple method with just a couple of clicks of the mouse in the excellent Drake Control Center.

The highly touted Lubuntu Software Center is a boondoggle, as far as I am concerned. Useless.

In general, as one migrates from a former version, to a newer version, one expects IMPROVEMENT. 12.04 is a HUGE disappointment. I much prefer the behaviour of 11.04.

CAI ENG

jerrylamos said: Lubuntu A2 .iso won't boot on my IBM Thinkpad T40 which is running Lubuntu A1 just fine for an alpha. I forget the exact A2 message. Early in boot it says the kernel requires pae.

I looked at the CD daily build current and didn't notice any non-pae .iso's there?

The T40 is 1.5 gHz Pentium M 1 gb memory etc. quad booted with lynx, precise, lubuntu precise. It's quite responsive and quick on the internet.

Jerry

AFAIK that is a PAE kernel bug. I think, but I could be wrong, that the need for non-pae should be detected.

I will try to find out more about this :)

Decided to give "answers" a chance:

https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/187093

I really am trying to get up-to-speed so my iso-testing will be more effective come Beta 1 ;)

Totally OT but I worked out a hardware problem that had been bugging me for 6 freaking days ...... party time :D

Hint: avoid HEC (compucase) garbage :mad:

kansasnoob said: Decided to give "answers" a chance:

https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/187093

I really am trying to get up-to-speed so my iso-testing will be more effective come Beta 1 ;)

Totally OT but I worked out a hardware problem that had been bugging me for 6 freaking days ...... party time :D

Hint: avoid HEC (compucase) garbage :mad:

Hey kansasnoob yesterday I downloaded the non-pae mini-iso 12.04 precise. It will be a tough option for new users, but if the default pae kernel stays into April there would be another way-to-skin that cat for user with non-pae processor requirements. I plan to start building up the mini.iso this weekend when I have some time.

caieng said: In general, as one migrates from a former version, to a newer version, one expects IMPROVEMENT. 12.04 is a HUGE disappointment. I much prefer the behaviour of 11.04.

CAI ENG

Please be advised that you are NOT using the FINAL version of Lubuntu 12.04 yet, you are using an Alpha2 version for a system that is still under development. Expecting HUGE changes is out of discussion, I'm afraid.

After the final release, I hope things will be at your expectations. HOWEVER, please be informed that there is NO WAY to make an OS that please EVERYONE as NOTHING is perfect :)

As long as you can install whatever you like after installation, change whatever you like, remove whatever you like, IMHO, this is the system that one must have ;)

@amjjawad, it would be nice if you chimed in with the developers take on this pae vs non-pae situation, was this just a temporary problem, and will it be fixed later?

jerrylamos said: Lubuntu A2 .iso won't boot on my IBM Thinkpad T40 which is running Lubuntu A1 just fine for an alpha. I forget the exact A2 message. Early in boot it says the kernel requires pae.

I looked at the CD daily build current and didn't notice any non-pae .iso's there?

The T40 is 1.5 gHz Pentium M 1 gb memory etc. quad booted with lynx, precise, lubuntu precise. It's quite responsive and quick on the internet.

Jerry

Jerry,

I posted a question on "answers":

https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/187093

The only answer I've received so far isn't very helpful, linked back to my own forum thread :)

Since I don't have a Pentium M to test with I'm going to ask you a favor, since you love testing anyway. They suggested filing a bug against 'linux-image-generic' but I always thought kernel bugs were to be reported just with "ubuntu-bug linux" :confused:

Anyway someone who requires the non-pae kernel is going to have to report a bug with the hardware profile, stating that neither the live image will boot, won't install, etc.

I really think there should be some auto-detection in play.

I haven't zsync Lubuntu for a week or so. How things have changed! One thing is the size. From 782 mb to the current 582 mb! I thought for sure something was wrong, but the sums matched.

I'm using it right now in loop-back mode.

One of the things I really like is how well Gnumeric handles Office excel files, and Abiword on doc files. very slick. In the past I had a lot of issues.

The only unusual thing about Lubuntu is the Windows 3.1 type gaming section.

cariboo907 said: @amjjawad, it would be nice if you chimed in with the developers take on this pae vs non-pae situation, was this just a temporary problem, and will it be fixed later?

Will sure do, no worries :)

I'll get back to all of you once I have an answer from them.

Thanks!

VMC said: I haven't zsync Lubuntu for a week or so. How things have changed! One thing is the size. From 782 mb to the current 582 mb! I thought for sure something was wrong, but the sums matched.

I'm using it right now in loop-back mode.

One of the things I really like is how well Gnumeric handles Office excel files, and Abiword on doc files. very slick. In the past I had a lot of issues.

The only unusual thing about Lubuntu is the Windows 3.1 type gaming section.

Colin Watson rebuilt the iso because of this:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1918534

More info here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11663254&postcount=308

I modified my first pae question:

https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/187093

And added a new one:

https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/187166

The latter should get right to the point ............ I hope :)

cariboo907 said: @amjjawad, it would be nice if you chimed in with the developers take on this pae vs non-pae situation, was this just a temporary problem, and will it be fixed later?

When I replied you earlier, I was just awake but later, I remembered that we have discussed that on the mailing list. To be honest, A LOT of USEFUL discussion is going on on the mailing list everyday and I encourage everyone who is really interested and care about Lubuntu to join and subscribe:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ContactUs https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users

Anyway, I found this: https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/thrd3.html

Check: **Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin**

As promised, I'll check with our Developers today on our meeting and will update this thread :)

Thanks!

kansasnoob said: I modified my first pae question:

https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/187093

And added a new one:

https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/187166

The latter should get right to the point ............ I hope :)

IMHO, creating/adding more questions with the same idea will confuse people and add extra unneeded work. One Q is more than enough :) Just like reporting a bug which is already exist.

Regarding the PAE, please check my previous post :)

amjjawad said: IMHO, creating/adding more questions with the same idea will confuse people and add extra unneeded work. One Q is more than enough :)

Just like reporting a bug which is already exist.

Regarding the PAE, please check my previous post :)

But I realized that my first question was not titled specifically enough, and unlike a bug the title can't be changed. It's also not very appropriate to freak out and PM SABDFL but I did it on Alpha 2 release day :redface:

I'd rather get in trouble for doing something wrong than just let something slide, in this case I got an answer:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/897786

Specifically in post #9:

One way I know is by using the mini.iso image (netboot) which exists in a non-pae flavour at:

http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/non-pae/mini.iso

I know some flavours of Ubuntu chose to ship with non-PAE by default, using one of these (probably xubuntu and lubuntu) would work too.

So now we just need to find out what Lubuntu and Xubuntu plan to do ;)

Okay, I have been looking around and besides icons, what is the difference betweens lubuntu and xubuntu?

jasonrisenburg said: Okay, I have been looking around and besides icons, what is the difference betweens lubuntu and xubuntu?

Try them. It's easy, download the .iso's, either burn CD's and run it live or boot the .iso file live directly from the hard disk as I did for this lubuntu precise pangolin here. You can also do a sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop on a regular precise pangolin and choose it (or not) at logon.

Choices, personal preferences. On my newer pc's I run Ubuntu-2D. It'll run on this Thinkpad T40, I'm running Lubuntu precise pangolin A2 on it fine. Well, usual alpha crashes. Oh, I do Firefox on all of them.

Jerry

I started on Xubuntu in Nov 06 on a IBM 300, and I download and have Lubuntu installed now. I was asking from the technical point. what is the difference?

Xubuntu uses the XFCE desktop, whatever that is, namely not Unity and not classic gnome desktop.

Lubuntu, l(ight)ubuntu, goal was a smaller ubuntu that might run on older hardware better than the latest gee-whiz eye candy high overhead Compiz and Unity-3D have to offer.

There's some more around, example:

http://www.google.com/search?q=lubuntu&ie=ISO-8859-1&tbm=blg&tbs=sbd:1&num=100

Past that, you'd have to consult the tech whizzes like Phil Whiteside...

Jerry

jasonrisenburg said: I started on Xubuntu in Nov 06 on a IBM 300, and I download and have Lubuntu installed now. I was asking from the technical point. what is the difference?

Not quite sure what you mean by "from the technical point". But cosmetically, aside from the theme, Lubuntu has only one panel on the bottom and Xubuntu has two panels.

Under the hood:

(1) Xubuntu's files manager is Thunar, Lubuntu's is pcmanfm.

(2) Xubuntu relies on Xfce whereas Lubuntu relies on LXDE. There are subtle differences :)

(3) Lubuntu is supposed to be just a bit less resource hungry than Xubuntu, but I've found both will run on an old PII w/256MB of RAM.

IMHO it just comes down to personal preference. Try them both and see which you prefer :D

does anyone have a download link for lubuntu 12.04 alpha or beta ? thx

jnorthr said: does anyone have a download link for lubuntu 12.04 alpha or beta ?

thx

There is no Beta yet, Beta 1 is due on March 1st.

Officially there was only an alternate image of the Alpha 2:

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.04/alpha-2/

And even it's slightly oversize. For a full explanation look here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11663254&postcount=308

But you could also try the daily builds;

Live image:

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20120207/

Alternate (text based) image:

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily/current/

Something I found interesting. I have been playing around with different desktops on a Mint 12 install and I just installed LXDE. When I logged into the LXDE desktop the Indicator-Weather applet was on my panel. I always wanted a weather applet on LXDE/Lubuntu. Makes me wonder if this xfce indicator-weather applet might be easily added to Lubuntu? I know for a fact it works well on LXDE Just make sure indicator-weather is in your startup menu. indicator-weather can be installed via synaptic package manager :-) KBD47 PS--something else I realized is that LXDE desktop by default has font hinting set to 'full', it looks better, at least on my netbook, set at 'slight'.

I use My-Weather-Indicator from http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/list-of-application-indicators in Lubuntu 11.10

Works well in the panel.

Rodney

Rodney9 said: I use My-Weather-Indicator from http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/list-of-application-indicators in Lubuntu 11.10

Works well in the panel.

Rodney

Cool :-) Indicator-weather can be found in the Ubuntu repositories, just make sure it is in your startup menu. I've mentioned indicator-weather app in my review of the LXDE desktop: http://kbd-thinkingoutloud.blogspot.com/2012/02/why-lxde-desktop-shines.html KBD47

jasonrisenburg said: I started on Xubuntu in Nov 06 on a IBM 300, and I download and have Lubuntu installed now. I was asking from the technical point. what is the difference?

Lubuntu uses the Lxde DE on top of OpenBox with many Xfce packages such as the panel.

Xubuntu is the Xfwm4 with Xfce4.8 with several Gnome packages added.

You can easily see the difference in size and menu system particularly.

If you have a weaker box Lubuntu is great.

I also think that if you have a game box and want to use it as that, Lubuntu would be great. Very little resource would be used for anything not directly needed for gaming.

I am on Debian testing running Xfce4.8 right now so you can see that if I have a bias it is not toward Lxde. I do have Xubuntu 12.04-testing installed.

I get an ISO for Lubuntu occasionally to see how it is coming and boot it from grub. I also have Debian Sid installed with Lxde and can tell you that the Lubuntu folks have really done a bang up job of making Lxde more usable for folks coming in while still leaving it pretty light. May not be my DE of choice but I am very impressed.

That Sid install shares a /home with Wheezy running Xfce (without my "improvements" like the install I am on now). I would suggest you give that a try. You can use the same files although you need a different user name for each install to avoid user configuration file conflicts.

You need to set your permissions so that you only need to use one set of the other files in the 2 /home/<user name> directories.

This is a great way to compare the 2 DE's as all you need do is log out of one and into the other and continue what ever you were doing.

Kind of nice in testing to have 2 different DE's anyway as it is rare that both will break at the same time. You can run your update/upgrade cycle on one in chroot from the other, log over there and see if it works. If so do it to the first.

Really kind of a nice set up. Gets 2 OS's tested and you get to compare them. When testing is over you can keep one and ditch the other. If your / partitions are next to one another you can delete the one you don't want and expand the one you do. Or upgrade one or both to the tool chain for the next testing round.

ranch hand said: Lubuntu uses the Lxde DE on top of OpenBox with many Xfce packages such as the panel.

Lxde doesn't use any xfce packages.. the panel is lxpanel while xfce uses xfce4-panel.

Xubuntu is the Xfwm4 with Xfce4.8 with several Gnome packages added.

Xfce doesn't use gnome packages.. are totally different.

cariboo907 said: @amjjawad, it would be nice if you chimed in with the developers take on this pae vs non-pae situation, was this just a temporary problem, and will it be fixed later?

I'm so sorry, a very urgent matter suddenly happened and I must travel :( I was unable to attend our weekly meeting and I've been very busy preparing to travel for the last few days. I couldn't ask anyone :(

I managed to login to my email today for few mins and I guess I saw an email about the PAE subject.

Sorry again!

lucazade said: Lxde doesn't use any xfce packages.. the panel is lxpanel while xfce uses xfce4-panel.

Xfce doesn't use gnome packages.. are totally different. Xfce doesn't use gnome packages. Xubuntu does.

Am not over on the Sid install right now. Have to check again. Just remember being surprised at the Xfce packages. Pretty sure Debian just uses the straight Lxde upstream stuff.

ranch hand said: Xfce doesn't use gnome packages. Xubuntu does.

Am not over on the Sid install right now. Have to check again. Just remember being surprised at the Xfce packages. Pretty sure Debian just uses the straight Lxde upstream stuff.

In xubuntu you can find just a bunch of apps present also in gnome like jockey for restricted hardware, usb-disk-creator and other integration tools. The same applies also to lubuntu. The rest of both DEs is pretty upstream because they provide the necessary components and don't need any gnome/gtk parts (anymore..) :)

lucazade said: Lxde doesn't use any xfce packages.. the panel is lxpanel while xfce uses xfce4-panel.

Xfce doesn't use gnome packages.. are totally different.

Vanilla XFCE doesn't, but xubuntu sure does.

amjjawad said: I'm so sorry, a very urgent matter suddenly happened and I must travel :(

I was unable to attend our weekly meeting and I've been very busy preparing to travel for the last few days. I couldn't ask anyone :(

I managed to login to my email today for few mins and I guess I saw an email about the PAE subject.

Sorry again!

Real life happens, have a safe trip, we'll still be here when you get back. :)

screaminj3sus said: Vanilla XFCE doesn't, but xubuntu sure does.

Gives us some examples about these gnome components inside xubuntu otherwise we can close this OT. I doubt you'll find any.

lucazade said: Gives us some examples about these gnome components inside xubuntu otherwise we can close this OT. I doubt you'll find any.

Here's a couple:

gnome-accessibility-themes 3.3.4-0ubuntu1

gnome-desktop-data 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu8 gnome-games-data 1:3.3.4.1-0ubuntu1 gnome-icon-theme 3.2.1.2-1ubuntu2 gnome-keyring 3.2.2-1ubuntu2 gnome-menus 3.2.0.1-2ubuntu2 gnome-sudoku 1:3.3.4.1-0ubuntu1 gnome-system-tools 3.0.0-2ubuntu1 gnome-time-admin 3.0.0-2ubuntu1 gnome-user-guide 3.2.2-1 gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs 0.10.35.2-2build1 language-pack-gnome-en 1:12.04+20120123 language-pack-gnome-en-base 1:12.04+20111229 language-pack-gnome-es 1:12.04+20120123 language-pack-gnome-es-base 1:12.04+20111229 language-pack-gnome-fr 1:12.04+20120123 language-pack-gnome-fr-base 1:12.04+20111229 language-pack-gnome-pt 1:12.04+20120123 language-pack-gnome-pt-base 1:12.04+20111229 language-pack-gnome-xh 1:12.04+20120123 language-pack-gnome-xh-base 1:12.04+20111229 language-pack-gnome-zh-hans 1:12.04+20120123 language-pack-gnome-zh-hans-base 1:12.04+20111229 language-selector-gnome 0.61 libgnome-bluetooth8 3.2.1-1ubuntu4 libgnome-keyring-common 3.2.2-2 libgnome-keyring0 3.2.2-2 libgnome-menu-3-0 3.2.0.1-2ubuntu2 libgnomevfs2-0 1:2.24.4-1ubuntu2 libgnomevfs2-common 1:2.24.4-1ubuntu2 libgnomevfs2-extra 1:2.24.4-1ubuntu2 libpam-gnome-keyring 3.2.2-1ubuntu2 libsoup-gnome2.4-1 2.37.4-0ubuntu1 network-manager-gnome 0.9.1.90-0ubuntu7 network-manager-pptp-gnome 0.9.0-0ubuntu2 policykit-1-gnome 0.105-1ubuntu2 python-gnomekeyring 2.32.0-4build1 system-config-printer-gnome 1.3.6+20110831-0ubuntu11

Here is something a little off subject with the present discussion.. BUT

For the first time in quite awhile I got a clean install of yesterdays current daily Lubuntu precise desktop.iso 64 bit today. Strangely, I tried the Alternate CD first and it failed late in installing software and it was also from yesterday current build.

During testing I zsync the current builds 2 or 3 times a week and try them from a flash drive on occasion. I do not use netbootin or cd-creator to place them on my flash drive but use the dd command like we learned during testing OO.

Anyway, I was quite surprised to get the 64 bit desktop.iso installed without Ubiquity or the Migration manager causing a failure. :P

lucazade said: Gives us some examples about these gnome components inside xubuntu otherwise we can close this OT. I doubt you'll find any.

If you go to the download page for the version you want to look at and check all the download link you will find, in Ubuntu's case, one called .list. This is the manifest for the image in question.

I was sure, for instance, that Lubuntu used some Xfce components. I'll be damned if I can find any on the manifest for the alt install disk.

Xubuntu I actually have installed so I am very familiar with the additions. The gnome-network-manager is, for instance a pretty nice addition as the applet works slightly better than the Xfce use of plain network-manager.

I have not checked the Xfce manifest, I actually think there some missing from the list from VMC but as you point out this is kind of OT. The manifest is there for anyone to check.

VMC said: Here's a couple:

these are the integration tools I told before.. obviously canonical had to integrate a DE inside a distro and fill the gaps.

amjjawad said: I'm so sorry, a very urgent matter suddenly happened and I must travel :(

I was unable to attend our weekly meeting and I've been very busy preparing to travel for the last few days. I couldn't ask anyone :(

I managed to login to my email today for few mins and I guess I saw an email about the PAE subject.

Sorry again!

No worries :D

andrewabc said:

Is screensaver enabled by default? Disable it by default. I think it runs after like 5(10?) minutes? One of the first thing I do with any OS, and just tell monitor/screen to shut off after 10-15 minutes to save power. Screensavers are so 1990s.

The default screensavers take a surprising amount of horsepower, too. Please ssh in and run top or something to see. I doubt that most of us use the lightweight distro to burn that much hp watching snowflakes.

LazyBoy said: The default screensavers take a surprising amount of horsepower, too. Please ssh in and run top or something to see. I doubt that most of us use the lightweight distro to burn that much hp watching snowflakes.

Not only horsepower. I don't know if it's fixed yet but the screensaver in 11.10 would flatten my battery in less than half the usual time.

Rodney

lucazade said: these are the integration tools I told before.. obviously canonical had to integrate a DE inside a distro and fill the gaps.

Many of those are working apps that are not in Xfce4.8 Wheezy at all. They are the reason why the root partition for Xubuntu has 5.1gigs used and Wheezy Xfce4.8 takes 4.3 with exactly the same additions that I put on myself.

The panel notification area is completely different in Xubuntu. This is not a bad thing or a good thing, it is just different. Xubuntu 12.04 looks and acts pretty nice.

I may prefer the more straight up Xfce but I can see how a lot of folks would prefer the Xubuntu approach much more.

Why you insist on being in denial is beyond me. Install both and compare. The difference is quite striking. The size difference is quite striking but certainly of no concern if you have more than a 10gig HDD.

ranch hand said:

Why you insist on being in denial is beyond me. Install both and compare. The difference is quite striking. The size difference is quite striking but certainly of no concern if you have more than a 10gig HDD.

ahahah.. i'm not insisting :) i just don't see those packages, used to integrate xfce better in xubuntu, as a downside... that's it!

Rodney9 said: Not only horsepower.

I don't know if it's fixed yet but the screensaver in 11.10 would flatten my battery in less than half the usual time.

Rodney

My "screensaver" is the "blank screen". How much battery does that use? (I hope it is the least.)

For that matter my "wallpaper" is my wife in a swimsuit when we were vacationing on an Australian beach. I haven't deleted the stock wallpapers but I will if I need space.

Jerry

What I know so far about Lubuntu and pae:

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2012-February/000367.html

Bugs encountered and reported so far using the non-pae mini.iso:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/931191

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/931237

And a bug that shows up even with the live CD:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxterminal/+bug/931216

Now we're having fun :D

First, thanks for this distribution, I have been using Lubuntu since 10.10 until now.

1) What do you expect from lubuntu 12.04?

A lightweight, yet modern desktop environtment.

2) What applications you want to see in lubuntu 12.04?

A) I would like to see better tools for search, volume control and network management. And also a simple drawing tool similar to Paint in Windows.

B) Also, I really like Audacious and if this is the default audio player, there should be some effort to put into repositories the latest release. It is not that difficult!! (if there are ppa's for Audacious that work perfectly, why not enable the latest Audacious in the main repo?) The default install has Audacious 2.5 when currently we have Audacious 3.2. This comment applies to some other default applications in Lubuntu.

(And of course, a better desktop integration with Audacious)

C) Lightdm. Or at least, some display manager where you shouldn't have by default to type your username in order to login. Most users work in home environments, where there are only a few users, so showing a user list should be plausible.

D) POWER MANAGEMENT! Do we really should use an "outside application" like Xfce4-power management? It looks like we need applications from GNOME and XFCE4 for basic functions. It would be nice to have "native" applications for these. If we see a lot of effort to have a "native" software center (which for me is not really necessary if we keep synaptic), and I recently saw LXfind and LXscreenshot, why he haven't see anything about native applications for such basic functions like volume and power management?

E) Integration with DROPBOX!!! Several users have told me they don't use Lubuntu because PCmanfm doesn't have integration with Dropbox like nautilus. There could be some collaboration with the guys in LXDE in order to allow this integration.

3) What do you think will improve lubuntu 12.04 and make it better than any other release?

A) With due respect, currently, the live CD install is basically the same for Ubuntu, with almost no effort to differentiate Lubuntu from other Ubuntu distributions. This is a BIG problem, because there are some old hardware in which we want to install Lubuntu, and we can't, because the requirements are the same for standard Ubuntu. It is not just RAM and disk space, we are talking about demanding as little as possible from a computer in order to install Lubuntu.

I tried to install Lubuntu in 10 old computers and it failed in 8 of them!!. And they met the basic system requirements in the home page, but the live install froze, even after trying the Ubuntu minimal install.

So, more effort should be done in this aspect.

B) A much better Lubuntu home page. We don't want to see Lubuntu as "poor man's Ubuntu", but as a really good alternative in its own right, even in modern computers.

C) The desktop panel (bottom bar) looks primitive, tray icons don't go to the right place after closing some applications ... looks like we were in the 90's. Even Windows 95 looks nicer in this aspect, which could be improved.

D) A simple feature: In the logout button (or at least in the menu), there should be an option to lock the computer. There isn't, to the point that I had to create a menu entry just to do that with a single click. Why all this hassle for such a simple function?

E) When the computer is locked, and we need to unlock it ... the image that appears (from Xscreensaver) ... IS ABSOLUTELY UGLY. Why nobody else has commented on this? Is there a way to change it? (or integrate with the lightdm display manager?, I don't know)

F) Improve Boot startup time. The boot time is not really different from Xubuntu or standar Ubuntu. A lot of applications could be eliminated from startup in Lubuntu. The lightness of Lubuntu is not felt in this aspect.

[B]4) What things you do not want to see or have on lubuntu 12.04? [/B]

A) The ace-of-penguins games ... The look dated, the inferface is not beautiful (even, some console games look nicer than this). Just because we want light applications doesn't mean we don't care about aesthetics. There are more options.

B) EVINCE!! Evince is bloated, doesn't remember position. If we want to see PDF files, use ePDFViewer, which is light, eliminates GNOME dependencies and remembers position on startup. It should be the default viewer in Lubuntu.

If users want to see PS files, they can use gv (it would be nice to see the latest GSview in Ubuntu repositories, but well). And Xdvi to see DVI files, and djview to see DJVU files. The issue of evince as an "all in one" application is overplayed.

I've got on this IBM Thinkpad T40, 2005 oldie but goldy. Does not have pae flag. Lubuntu as upgraded from Oneiric Ocelot Lubuntu as installed from 20120207 Lubuntu as installed from mini.iso yesterday

All three running fine as well as a lucid lynx (for recovery) on a 40 GB hard drive.

Mini iso is lots of fun, a bit slow install over the internet. At tasksel I just did print server, samba server, lubuntu. I find out what I need and do sudo apt-get install: synaptic, firefox, flashplugin, gparted, aptitude, zsync, leafpad, etc. as needed.

Jerry

Someone asked on the mailing list last night:

i'm trying to "parallel" the - running - Debian wheezy + LXDE with the Lubuntu 12.04 setup i recently installed. And there will rise a lot of questions (and bugs?) . . .

Just to start: In my repositories i've Debian Multimedia. Is there something similar in (L)Ubuntu or could i add that repositories (even though they're close, i notice there are some differences between Ubuntu and Debian . . .

Clearly part of the answer is, do [COLOR="Red"]NOT[/COLOR] use Debian repos in Lubuntu!

Now, I know what I typically do. I install 'lubuntu-restricted-extras':

lance@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install lubuntu-restricted-extras
[sudo] password for lance: 
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  cabextract chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra flashplugin-installer
  libasound2-plugins libavcodec-extra-53 libavutil-extra-51 libdirac-encoder0
  libnspr4-0d libopenjpeg2 libspeexdsp1 libvo-aacenc0 libvo-amrwbenc0
  libx264-120 lubuntu-restricted-addons ttf-mscorefonts-installer unrar
Suggested packages:
  firefox ttf-bitstream-vera ttf-dejavu ttf-xfree86-nonfree xfs libfaad0
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  chromium-codecs-ffmpeg libavcodec53 libavutil51
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  cabextract chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra flashplugin-installer
  libasound2-plugins libavcodec-extra-53 libavutil-extra-51 libdirac-encoder0
  libnspr4-0d libopenjpeg2 libspeexdsp1 libvo-aacenc0 libvo-amrwbenc0
  libx264-120 lubuntu-restricted-addons lubuntu-restricted-extras
  ttf-mscorefonts-installer unrar
0 upgraded, 17 newly installed, 3 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 8,235 kB of archives.
After this operation, 5,467 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? 

And sometimes I also add 'ubuntu-restricted-extras' which pulls in some additional gstreamer plugins and other goodies:

lance@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  freepats gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3
  gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse
  gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly liba52-0.7.4 libcdaudio1 libcelt0-0 libdc1394-22
  libfaac0 libfftw3-3 libflite1 libgme0 libgstreamer-plugins-bad0.10-0
  libkate1 libmad0 libmimic0 libmjpegtools-1.9 libmpcdec6 libmpeg2-4 libofa0
  liboil0.3 libopenal-data libopenal1 libopencore-amrnb0 libopencore-amrwb0
  libopenspc0 libquicktime2 libsidplay1 libslv2-9 libsoundtouch0 libspandsp2
  libtwolame0 libwildmidi-config libwildmidi1 libzbar0 libzvbi-common libzvbi0
  ubuntu-restricted-addons
Suggested packages:
  frei0r-plugins libfftw3-dev sidplay-base xsidplay slv2-jack
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  freepats gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3
  gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse
  gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly liba52-0.7.4 libcdaudio1 libcelt0-0 libdc1394-22
  libfaac0 libfftw3-3 libflite1 libgme0 libgstreamer-plugins-bad0.10-0
  libkate1 libmad0 libmimic0 libmjpegtools-1.9 libmpcdec6 libmpeg2-4 libofa0
  liboil0.3 libopenal-data libopenal1 libopencore-amrnb0 libopencore-amrwb0
  libopenspc0 libquicktime2 libsidplay1 libslv2-9 libsoundtouch0 libspandsp2
  libtwolame0 libwildmidi-config libwildmidi1 libzbar0 libzvbi-common libzvbi0
  ubuntu-restricted-addons ubuntu-restricted-extras
0 upgraded, 41 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 49.9 MB of archives.
After this operation, 73.8 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? 

Then I also typically add only 'libdvdcss2' from Medibuntu:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu#With_individual_packages

And sometimes also the "external codecs package, also from Medibuntu:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu#With_individual_packages-1

How good or bad is that approach?

kansasnoob said: Someone asked on the mailing list last night:

Clearly part of the answer is, do [COLOR=Red]NOT[/COLOR] use Debian repos in Lubuntu!

Now, I know what I typically do. I install 'lubuntu-restricted-extras': [...]

lance@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras [...]

Then I also typically add only 'libdvdcss2' from Medibuntu:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu#With_individual_packages

And sometimes also the "external codecs package, also from Medibuntu:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu#With_individual_packages-1

How good or bad is that approach?

Thanks a lot for the hint! :)

It's in the FAQ already https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#Video_codecs_and_DVD_playback . PowerPC has great documentation - just can't get anyone to read it......

rsavage said: It's in the FAQ already https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#Video_codecs_and_DVD_playback . PowerPC has great documentation - just can't get anyone to read it......

Thank you. This is exactly why I posted here.

Just, *"this is what I do"* doesn't always get the job done :)

rsavage said: It's in the FAQ already https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#Video_codecs_and_DVD_playback . PowerPC has great documentation - just can't get anyone to read it......

Thanks a lot for the advise!

I haven't been through this thread in any detail so apologies in advance if this has already been covered.

I just wanted to be able to remind myself what I did to get as close to a "normal" ambiance theme in lubuntu.

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ravefinity-project/ppa
sudo aptitude update
sudo aptitude install ambiance-xfce-lxde
sudo aptitude install lxappearance
sudo aptitude install openbox-themes
sudo aptitude install lxappearance-obconf

To move the window buttons to the left:

cd ~/.config/openbox/
cp lubuntu-rc.xml lubuntu-rc.xml.orig
leafpad lubuntu-rc.xml

and changed this section of the xml file to:

<theme>
    <name>ambiance-xfce-lxde</name>
    **[COLOR="Red"]<titleLayout>IMCLN</titleLayout>[/COLOR]**
    <!--
      available characters are NDSLIMC, each can occur at most once.
      N: window icon
      L: window label (AKA title).
      I: iconify
      M: maximize
      C: close
      S: shade (roll up/down)
      D: omnipresent (on all desktops).
  -->
    <keepBorder>yes</keepBor
...

Love Lubuntu! Many things I've seen people wish for already work. Some things just aren't where you might expect coming from Gnome/Unity. I have a fully functional home network of Lubuntu systems. Did everything from standard Ubununtu community help files for Samba. You can browse the network, but it's up in the drop down menus. Libre Office works well. In short on my best laptop I've installed everything I love about standard Ubuntu, except Unity and Lubuntu still flys.

jldoll said: Love Lubuntu! Many things I've seen people wish for already work. Some things just aren't where you might expect coming from Gnome/Unity. I have a fully functional home network of Lubuntu systems. Did everything from standard Ubununtu community help files for Samba. You can browse the network, but it's up in the drop down menus. Libre Office works well. In short on my best laptop I've installed everything I love about standard Ubuntu, except Unity and Lubuntu still flys.

+1 jldoll

You can also bookmark your network and it will be located in your home folder on the left for easier finding. See the attached file.

nm_geo said: +1 jldoll

You can also bookmark your network and it will be located in your home folder on the left for easier finding. See the attached file.

Thanks for tip. The real beauty though, which I hope Lubuntu maintains is it's scalability. It's nice and lightweight out of the box, then one is free to add what they desire based on the capabilities of the machine.

Is there a way to "teach" pcmanfm to offer xfburn as an option when an empty cd is shoved in the drive? In my Lubuntu 11.10 on a netbook it's like this. But in 12.04 (powerpc) pcmanfm only offers to mount the empty drive in the filemanager. I thought there might be a way similar to what you can do with catfish (but i'm not knowledged enough to find it out by my own).

That's in some way awkwarded because it prevents xfburn from recognizing an empty media in the drive. Practically, actually, you have to: 1) put the empty cd in the drive; 2) say no to mount it in filemanager 3) launch only after 1) & 2) xfburn to have it ready for burning a cd.

TIA

@paul_in_london

Since you seem pretty skilled in tweaking the lubuntu rcm and openbox menu.xml files, 2 questions:

1) is there a way to change them so that the advanced righclick menu on the desktop shows more than just 3 programs (PCManFM, Lxterminal, Browser) so that the only way back to the Desktop settings is to run pcmanfm --desktop-prefin a terminal? A found a wiki how to activate the Debian menu (which is there in the openbox menu.xml but not shown!), but i didn't find out how to applicate it to Lubuntu.

2) Is there in that appearance related files somewhere a possibility to turn off that ugly full screen feature on opening new windows which actually is there by default in 12.04 ?

Farinet said: @paul_in_london

Since you seem pretty skilled in tweaking the lubuntu rcm and openbox menu.xml files, 2 questions:

1) is there a way to change them so that the advanced righclick menu on the desktop shows more than just 3 programs (PCManFM, Lxterminal, Browser) so that the only way back to the Desktop settings is to run pcmanfm --desktop-prefin a terminal? A found a wiki how to activate the Debian menu (which is there in the openbox menu.xml but not shown!), but i didn't find out how to applicate it to Lubuntu.

2) Is there in that appearance related files somewhere a possibility to turn off that ugly full screen feature on opening new windows which actually is there by default in 12.04 ?

Very cool Farinet you helped me find what I was looking for. After you 'pcmanfm --desktop-pref' you go to the Advanced Tab and click "off" the Show menus provided by window managers when desktop is clicked. I have trying to get rid of those three programs on my 64 bit install. Excellent THX

The opening of lxterminal is being discussed with the devs. We might get some changes there anyway, I am used to just clicking the + button in my Clear Looks theme to get smaller windows,

jldoll said: Thanks for tip. The real beauty though, which I hope Lubuntu maintains is it's scalability. It's nice and lightweight out of the box, then one is free to add what they desire based on the capabilities of the machine.

I agree with you for sure. We have been testing the mini.iso non-pae kernel install just to see how small a version we can build and how little memory we would be using. These are the three installs I was testing today all basically idling (nothing but the OS running)

Lubuntu 12.04 mini-install > 90 Mib mem Lubuntu 12,04 32 bit > 135 Mib mem Lubuntu 12.04 64 bit > 240 Mib mem

jldoll said: Thanks for tip. The real beauty though, which I hope Lubuntu maintains is it's scalability. It's nice and lightweight out of the box, then one is free to add what they desire based on the capabilities of the machine.

Me too. This is mini.iso, tasksel lubuntu, print server, samba server for our network. mini takes a while (!) on my internet hookup.

Add in things as I need them for ease. I do CLI somewhat but make fewer mistakes with menus. Synaptic to choose software sources, firefox, flashplugin, leafpad, libre office (when the need arises), wallpaper of my wife on an Australian beach, ... I even put in notwork-mangler to get the panel applet since wireless on this Thinkpad T40 needs tending and CLI.

An oddity - I use network wireless, and after network manager install, coincidence or not, boot was v-e-r-y slow waiting for netowrk, then 60 more seconds, ... hit Esc got around it. Better yet, the forum suggested /etc/network/interfaces comment out like so: # auto eth1. /etc/network/interfaces doesn't even list wlan0 which is what I'm using and what I used on mini install. Boots very fast now, and shuts down fast too.

Lubuntu is fun & quick, I don't have to keep stumbling over tons of ubuntu things I don't use extreme example is "Dash" which I run on my fast tower just for testing.

Jerry

amjjawad said: [COLOR=Blue][U][SIZE=5][B]Discussion Topics:

[/B][/SIZE][/U][/COLOR][LEFT]

[/LEFT] a) I love Lubuntu. Mom is happy with it too. b) Apps - Keep them small and limited. email, browsing, IM, a simple word processor, music player and video player. Synaptic. Everything else is "bloat". Core apps only. If others are needed, we can load them. Minimize dependencies. Avoid mono and KDE libs. c) No 2D/3D graphics acceleration mandated. People use Lubuntu on less capable machines - those running Via C7 and Pent4 CPUs. I'm not saying that 2D/3D graphics acceleration isn't desired, just not mandated. d) Keep the required disk space small. I'd love to load Lubuntu on a 512MB (yes, MB) flash drive, but I've been running inside 10G for over 3 yrs happily. 512MB of disk is my dream. e) Avoid mandated ties to 3rd parties. We trust Canonical, but want FB, TWEETER, and other external services at arms length. Privacy is important.

• What do you expect from Lubuntu 12.04?
• What applications you want to see in Lubuntu 12.04?
• What do you think will improve Lubuntu 12.04 and make it better than any other release?
• What things you DO NOT want to see or have on Lubuntu 12.04?
• Whatever in your mind and you'd like to share it, please do :)

Don't forget that many users have 512MB of RAM and 1-2GB of disk for this OS. These are physical hardware limits. Also, know that many loyal users run it inside a virtual machine. I do. It is my primary desktop. Virtualization rocks! Not being tied to hardware is fantastic.

Everyone will need other apps too, but that list is the core set that pretty much everyone requires in a desktop. Personally, I don't care about video or music, but others do.

LTS is a big effort, but 2-3 yrs works well on a desktop outside corporate environments. No worries. Mom is happily running Lubuntu 10.04, but I'd like to move her to 12.04 during my next visit this summer so she will have access to newer apps.

[B]Basically, keep doing what you are already doing. We love it!

[/B]

I just did a Lubuntu install using the mini.iso, and selecting the Minimal Lubuntu install from tasksel, with:

• Chromium
• Filezilla
• Xchat
• Synaptic
• Aptitude
• Zim

installed, I'm at 2GiB of used hard drive space with the above programs installed.

Farinet said: @paul_in_london

Since you seem pretty skilled in tweaking the lubuntu rcm and openbox menu.xml files, 2 questions:

1) is there a way to change them so that the advanced righclick menu on the desktop shows more than just 3 programs (PCManFM, Lxterminal, Browser) so that the only way back to the Desktop settings is to run pcmanfm --desktop-prefin a terminal? A found a wiki how to activate the Debian menu (which is there in the openbox menu.xml but not shown!), but i didn't find out how to applicate it to Lubuntu.

2) Is there in that appearance related files somewhere a possibility to turn off that ugly full screen feature on opening new windows which actually is there by default in 12.04 ?

Sorry about the slow reply - just saw your post.

I'm not actually all that familiar with lxde. I only installed lubuntu about a week ago. Back in my main GS install right now.

1) Don't know off the top of my head.

2) I also dislike the fact that windows are maximized by default when opened so I'll be looking for a way to change that. Will post back if I come up with anything.

Btw, I installed sakura yesterday and have been using that instead of lxterminal.

EDIT: Found out how to add application icons to the panel:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1768151

cariboo907 said: I just did a Lubuntu install using the mini.iso, and selecting the Minimal Lubuntu install from tasksel, with:

• Chromium
• Filezilla
• Xchat
• Synaptic
• Aptitude
• Zim

installed, I'm at 2GiB of used hard drive space with the above programs installed.

Did you install the pae mini.iso or non-pae? Just wondering..;)

cariboo907 said: I just did a Lubuntu install using the mini.iso, and selecting the Minimal Lubuntu install from tasksel, with:

• Chromium
• Filezilla
• Xchat
• Synaptic
• Aptitude
• Zim

installed, I'm at 2GiB of used hard drive space with the above programs installed.

Cool ain't it :D

It takes a little longer but you can customize like crazy.

nm_geo said: Did you install the pae mini.iso or non-pae? Just wondering..;)

It shouldn't matter really. I've tried both since all of my hardware works with the pae kernels, but both the pae and non-pae mini.iso's just work.

I'm waiting for the devs to update tasksel and the iso's so Lubuntu is named properly :)

kansasnoob said: It shouldn't matter really. I've tried both since all of my hardware works with the pae kernels, but both the pae and non-pae mini.iso's just work.

I'm waiting for the devs to update tasksel and the iso's so Lubuntu is named properly :)

I am watching those updates too.. on tasksel

nm_geo said: Did you install the pae mini.iso or non-pae? Just wondering..;)

I installed the non-pae mini.iso

Farinet said: @paul_in_london

Since you seem pretty skilled in tweaking the lubuntu rcm and openbox menu.xml files, 2 questions:

1) is there a way to change them so that the advanced righclick menu on the desktop shows more than just 3 programs (PCManFM, Lxterminal, Browser) so that the only way back to the Desktop settings is to run pcmanfm --desktop-prefin a terminal? A found a wiki how to activate the Debian menu (which is there in the openbox menu.xml but not shown!), but i didn't find out how to applicate it to Lubuntu.

2) Is there in that appearance related files somewhere a possibility to turn off that ugly full screen feature on opening new windows which actually is there by default in 12.04 ?

Solution to 2) is here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1929156

paul_in_london said: Solution to 2) is here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1929156

Just did a fresh install of today's current daily build Lubuntu 64bit amd. The lxterminal now opens to the smaller window in the new install. Biggest problem was a black background during the partitioning which makes reading options very tough. screen shot of install first page.

nm_geo posted a fix for the full screen terminal here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1929156

Good job my friend :D

With yesterdays updates the Lubuntu 12.04 versions had a number of improvements.

Primarily, the black background problems on Disk Utility and others & The lxterminal opening in full screen mode both were resolved. They are knocking down the problems rather quickly.

Greetings.

I have submitted two messages to the forum, after installing the alpha 1 and alpha 2 releases.

Yesterday I downloaded the new Beta release.

Today, I spent the last hour installing it.

To be precise, the installation required only 20 minutes on a 64 bit Celeron system. However, the post install configuration, including use of synaptic both to upgrade the OS, and to remove unwanted components, and install VLC, required another 40 minutes.

The browser worked well. The installer, I am very pleased to report, has been upgraded to the conventional, (excellent, unequaled in my opinion) Ubuntu installer.

Booting went very smoothly.

However, I have failed in the main activity: VLC does work, or at least, it appears normal on invocation. However, when clicking on any of the icons at http://www.listenlive.eu/classical.html

instead of listening to music, one is presented with a new window of text, containing the url of the site.

So, something is radically wrong, and probably related to those many programs which I removed, like "gecko" and "audacious", and "gnome mplayer".

I don't want GNOME, anything, on my LXDE system.

If Lubuntu cannot work properly, without all kinds of GNOME crap installed, then, I cannot use it.

Along the way, this morning, I discovered what I would consider "bugs", but which someone else may regard as just normal.

I list them here, in no particular order, in the hope that it may help someone else.

I tried to remove this piece of UNIX crap, and received a warning from Synaptic, that this is an ESSENTIAL component of LXDE.

1. Nanum Korean fonts installed.... WHY???
2. Firefox (which is not installed, nor requested for installation) English fonts are installed. (the good news is that the Korean fonts are not installed)
3. GRUB menu still indicates "UBUNTU", not "LUbuntu", as it should....
4. "eject" is a program, installed, however, it is apparently not functional, or, at least, not properly invoked, post install. When I rebooted, the disk was not ejected, and the process began all over once more from the beginning...At the very least, if the Lubuntu team does not wish to use "eject", it ought to be removed from the HUGE quantity of programs installed (more than 1000), and in that case, the team would earn brownie points for writing a tiny message on the video display, alerting the user to the need for the user to transport himself/herself back in time to 1980, when we relied upon floppy disks for the installation process, hence had no ability to automatically eject the installation medium.
5. reverse Polish notation calculator is neither essential, nor desired: along with several hundred other programs installed by "default". This is LXDE, not Gnome, not KDE. Petite, Small, Tiny, Fast, not LETHARGIC, SLOW, HUGE, CUMBERSOME. Why is there so much junk installed by default? Let those who need all the spread sheets choose their weapon, why impose a spread sheet on people who are using LXDE because it is LIGHT? Let's call it BLOAT UBUNTU, because that's how it appears to me (BLOBUNTU).
6. BSD utils is ESSENTIAL. Holy Cow. Are you serious?

WHY???? Unbelievable.

What do "basic utilities from 4.4 BSD-lite" have to do with the price of tea in China?

This is ridiculous, and, in my opinion, indefensible.

How does a piece of unix code wind up in LXDE?

Bottom line: Lubuntu, for me, is unusable. I did appreciate the reference during installation, to VLC, but, I did not appreciate the fact that audacious or Mplayer were installed instead, as default streaming audio players.

Clearly, no one at Lubuntu land has done their homework. VLC is the only streaming audio player to use. Those distributions which employ other players do so out of ignorance. In this case, I fear, that the irritating decision to deliberately NOT include VLC by default, as touted during installation, is mirrored in a whole panoply of wretched decisions. I have lost confidence in Lubuntu.

CAI ENG

If you want a system cutomized for your usage, why not use the mini.iso, and install a minimal Lubuntu system, then only add what you want. All the Ubuntu versions are designed to be usable out of the box for most users, this means including many programs that you may not want or use.

cariboo907 said: If you want a system cutomized for your usage, why not use the mini.iso, and install a minimal Lubuntu system, then only add what you want. All the Ubuntu versions are designed to be usable out of the box for most users, this means including many programs that you may not want or use.

We thought Lubuntu was to be a lightweight fast ubuntu for the rest of us, not loaded with a bunch of packages that I can't ever imagine the bulk of us in U.S. using ever.

Please stick to the Lightweight Ubuntu theme and omit the rarely if ever packages that use up disk space. They're available if needed.

If I want tons of packages I'll never use, I'll install Unity.

Thank you,

Jerry

I have tried the alpha and now the beta of [COLOR="Blue"]Lubuntu[/COLOR] 12.04.

I believe the beta is now feature frozen and just bug fixing and polish to be added from now on.

I just can not see *any* difference between 11.10 and 12.04.

What am I missing ? , or am I wrong and new features can still be added ?

What will be the advantages of 12.04 over 11.10, I know it's not a LTS.

Rodney

jerrylamos said: We thought Lubuntu was to be a lightweight fast ubuntu for the rest of us, not loaded with a bunch of packages that I can't ever imagine the bulk of us in U.S. using ever.

Please stick to the Lightweight Ubuntu theme and omit the rarely if ever packages that use up disk space. They're available if needed.

If I want tons of packages I'll never use, I'll install Unity.

Thank you,

Jerry

As you know, this is the wrong place to make this request. Get on the mailing list, and make yourself heard. I'm not sure what your are getting at about the size of the distribution, it fits quite well in 4GiB.

Keep in mind that Lubuntu is designed for the average user, that has no idea what is on their hard drive, as long they can surf the web,maybe write a paper, create a spreadsheet to track expenses, listen to music, and watch movies without having to add any extra software, they'll be happy.

What you are asking for is your own personal wishes, without thinking about other users. You jerrylamos, know how to create a custom setup, that works only for you. Keep in mind that what works for you may not work for anyone else.

cariboo907 said: If you want a system cutomized for your usage, why not use the mini.iso, and install a minimal Lubuntu system, then only add what you want. All the Ubuntu versions are designed to be usable out of the box for most users, this means including many programs that you may not want or use.

+1 to this one for sure.. Lubuntu 12.04 minimal core install is very tight and light add/build it the way you want.

If you want a system cutomized for your usage, why not use the mini.iso, and install a minimal Lubuntu system, then only add what you want. All the Ubuntu versions are designed to be usable out of the box for most users, this means including many programs that you may not want or use.

Thanks for this comment.

Two questions:

1. Perhaps I was simply careless, but, I don't recall observing this option at the download page. Do you have a link?

1. Does the "mini" version also require, absolutely, with threat of failure, this bit of UNIX code from BSD?

cheers,

CAI ENG

caieng said: Thanks for this comment.

Two questions:

1. Perhaps I was simply careless, but, I don't recall observing this option at the download page. Do you have a link?

1. Does the "mini" version also require, absolutely, with threat of failure, this bit of UNIX code from BSD?

cheers,

CAI ENG

I assume he means this (12.04 Not available yet):

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD

and then installing - lubuntu-core from the command line

http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/lubuntu-core

Giving you a compact install

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/12.04/beta-1/

Here now I think.

What do "basic utilities from 4.4 BSD-lite" have to do with the price of tea in China?

From the official package description:

Basic utilities from 4.4BSD-Lite

[B]This package contains the bare minimum number of BSD utilities needed to boot a Debian system[/B]: logger, renice, script, scriptreplay, and wall. The remaining standard BSD utilities are provided by bsdmainutils.

forestpiskie said: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/12.04/beta-1/

Here now I think.

Ubuntu core is quite different from the meta-package 'lubuntu-core', it doesn't even include a kernel:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core

Whereas 'lubuntu-core' is a quite minimal lubuntu installation and can be installed performing a CLI install using the alternate CD or a mini.iso.

Alternate dailies here:

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily/current/

The mini.iso's are also referred to as netboot images:

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/precise/

Thanks :)

From the official package description:

Basic utilities from 4.4BSD-Lite

This package contains the bare minimum number of BSD utilities needed to boot a Debian system: logger, renice, script, scriptreplay, and wall. The remaining standard BSD utilities are provided by bsdmainutils. Thanks Kansasnoob!

so, if I understand correctly, then, this is not a "problem", or "issue" related to LXDE, or Ubuntu/Lubuntu, but to Debian.

Is that correct? If so, is there a rationale, why Debian would employ something/anything from BSD UNIX?

Is this same bit of code from UNIX also found in other Linux distros?

Regards,

CAI ENG

forestpiskie said: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/12.04/beta-1/

Here now I think. What you want is the Ubuntu netboot image; http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/precise/

If you follow the link for your arch you then want to get the "mini.iso". This will fit on a CD with no trouble. It is 27M.

The CD will boot. Install basic but you can put it where you want it and on the partition(s) you want it on.

The new install will boot. To a tty login.

You will need to install the xorg stuff and you may even want a desktop environment.

About all the bloat that comes in the basic install is a kernel and enough system files to have a sources list and dpkg and apt.

Have your packages you want written down. You don't need much other than xorg and a DE to get a gui. You can go on from there.

Installing the Lubuntu meta package will give you pretty much the same thing as a standard install. Installing the Lxde desktop package (what ever it is called in the Ubuntu repo) will be lighter.

Do some research first, it will save you a lot of grief.

This type of install is a lot more work. It is also an awful lot of FUN. It will give you, within the limitations of the repos, the install you want.

Expect to need to do this 2 or 3 times before you really get the hang of it. There is a reason folks like meta packages. They do the work for you. Your first try will work. You will just refine your ability to build the system.

If you start now you could have it about perfect before release time even with redoing it to suit you better a couple of times.

When testing Ubuntu I used to always have a mini install with gnome-desktop installed just to see what the difference was.

Thank you ranch hand. Much appreciated....

CAI ENG

Greenie here. Briefly, I first DL'ed the 12.04 64-bit and dumped it on a USB stick. Live worked as expected. However, I then DL'ed the 32-bit to try on another machine, again, via USB, and saw no "Live" (try without installing) on the initial menu. So, is it necessary now to 'install' the 32-bit?

JustKenny said: Greenie here. Briefly, I first DL'ed the 12.04 64-bit and dumped it on a USB stick. Live worked as expected. However, I then DL'ed the 32-bit to try on another machine, again, via USB, and saw no "Live" (try without installing) on the initial menu. So, is it necessary now to 'install' the 32-bit?

It shouldn't be necessary to install. Are you using the daily image?

I know the Beta 1's worked but maybe we have a bad daily build :confused:

Please do not under any circumstance get rid of "try lubuntu" by default (with countdown timer) like normal Ubuntu did. It is best that when computer boots it automatically will go into try lubuntu without any user interaction needed. Unlike normal ubuntu where it loads another screen that asks whether you want to try or install, have to click on one, then it loads the OS (which takes another couple minutes). Very annoying and useless.

I currently have lubuntu running off liveusb for someone who just wants to browse internet (nettop does not have hard drive) and it works great. Even better news is that the "unable to change/set volume (stuck at lowest setting)" problem has been fixed in 12.04.

kansasnoob said: It shouldn't be necessary to install. Are you using the daily image?

This one about 4 hours ago: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/precise/alpha-2/precise-alternate-i386.iso

kansasnoob said: I know the Beta 1's worked but maybe we have a bad daily build :confused:

andrewabc said: Please do not under any circumstance get rid of "try lubuntu" by default like normal Ubuntu did.

I currently have lubuntu running off liveusb for someone who just wants to browse internet (nettop does not have hard drive) and it works great. Even better news is that the "unable to change/set volume (stuck at lowest setting)" problem has been fixed in 12.04.

Ubuntu didn't get rid of try Ubuntu, they just hid the initial boot options. You still get the install/try options later in the process, and you can still get the initial boot option screen if you press a key as soon as the screen appears with the two small icons at the bottom ..... you have to be quick though. You have a whopping three seconds to do so :)

I really wonder if we're not seeing some borked daily images recently :confused:

It wouldn't be unheard of.

JustKenny said: This one about 4 hours ago: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/precise/alpha-2/precise-alternate-i386.iso

That's an alternate image. It's text based ........ no live option ;)

Never did have, never will have. I haven't had time to check any of the most recent images. If you look at the following link you'll see the date (aka: version) the images were last updated:

http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds

Bad daily images are not uncommon.

kansasnoob said: Ubuntu didn't get rid of try Ubuntu, they just hid the initial boot options. You still get the install/try options later in the process, and you can still get the initial boot option screen if you press a key as soon as the screen appears with the two small icons at the bottom ..... you have to be quick though. You have a whopping three seconds to do so :)

Yes, I realize that. Forgot to mention. But try lubuntu way is better as you press power button and come back in 5 minutes and OS+web browser is fully loaded and ready to go. Whereas with normal ubuntu you have to sit and wait to select appropriate option, or wait for secondary try/install option screen, then wait for finish loading. Which is silly. They fixed something that didn't need to be fixed (Canonical has a habit of doing that).

andrewabc said: Yes, I realize that. Forgot to mention.

But try lubuntu way is better as you press power button and come back in 5 minutes and OS+web browser is fully loaded and ready to go. Whereas with normal ubuntu you have to sit and wait to select appropriate option, or wait for secondary try/install option screen, then wait for finish loading. Which is silly. They fixed something that didn't need to be fixed (Canonical has a habit of doing that).

I know, I fought hard to get that changed:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/539172

The fight continued at Ayatana but the list archives are borked ....... perhaps because the mailing list address changed. Doesn't matter, I lost that battle :cry:

kansasnoob said: I really wonder if we're not seeing some borked daily images recently :confused:

Sure could be. This is development. Put in a couple hundred updates, throw it over the wall to the testers, and see what happens.

If enough of us see something maybe if developers have time and the inclination they'll look into it.

I'm currently looking at some pcmanfm bugs on mounting and un-mounting USB sticks. Seem to be pcmanfm so regular pangolin probably doesn't see the crashes?

Jerry

kansasnoob said: I know, I fought hard to get that changed:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/539172

The fight continued at Ayatana but the list archives are borked ....... perhaps because the mailing list address changed. Doesn't matter, I lost that battle :cry:

One of many reasons I don't' care much for normal ubuntu anymore, and why lubuntu has been so great. They actually listen to the users.

jerrylamos said: I'm currently looking at some pcmanfm bugs on mounting and un-mounting USB sticks. Seem to be pcmanfm so regular pangolin probably doesn't see the crashes?Jerry

Regular precise pangolin is no speed demon on seeing USB but a whole lot faster than 12.04 lubuntu, and the "home folder" icon doesn't crash like pcmanfm does when mounting and un-mounting.

Same hardware, different partition - it's an IBM Thinkpad T40. Nicely responsive with Lubuntu (pangolin at the moment).

Jerry

andrewabc said: One of many reasons I don't' care much for normal ubuntu anymore, and why lubuntu has been so great. They actually listen to the users.

That definitely made Ubuntu harder to use as a live DE. With only a 3 second chance to choose the boot option a sneeze or a phone call can cause one to need to reboot ;)

But I also prefer firefox and gedit in a live environment, purely preference, so I still use ......... dare I say this ...... an old Gutsy CD for many of my recovery ops :guitar:

Sometimes older is still better.

jerrylamos said: Regular precise pangolin is no speed demon on seeing USB but a whole lot faster than 12.04 lubuntu, and the "home folder" icon doesn't crash like pcmanfm does when mounting and un-mounting.

Same hardware, different partition - it's an IBM Thinkpad T40. Nicely responsive with Lubuntu (pangolin at the moment).

Jerry

I've had no problem with USB drives crashing pcmanfm. It would be interesting to know what's going on :confused:

I have an old VIA C7 that crashes X whenever I plug in a USB and I've never figured it out, something to do with IRQ assignment I think, but I gave up trying to figure it out. It only effects the front USB ports so I'm just using an externally powered USB hub.

Better lxpanel. I have submitted a lot of bugs about it more than a year ago, and I bet none of them were solved. Better multi-monitor support will be appreciated too.

kansasnoob said: I've had no problem with USB drives crashing pcmanfm. It would be interesting to know what's going on :confused:

I have an old VIA C7 that crashes X whenever I plug in a USB and I've never figured it out, something to do with IRQ assignment I think, but I gave up trying to figure it out. It only effects the front USB ports so I'm just using an externally powered USB hub.

I believe lots of people think the behavior of pcmanfm closing when you unmount a USB drive is a crash. However Julien even said it confused him some when testing ... it is normal behavior for pcmanfm as far as I can tell.

Now if you have 2 pcmanfm windows open and one highlighting the USB (new volume) and one on say your home folder only the one highlighting the new volume will close.. Not a crash.. odd behavior okay..

[COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial]Blueprint changed by Julien Lavergne:[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial]Whiteboard changed:[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] Work items:[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] [gilir] Switch to lightdm (seed and default-settings) : DONE[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] [gilir] ITP lightdm greeter : POSTPONED[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] [gilir] ITP lubuntu-software-center (most of the work is done in upstream branch) : DONE[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] [gilir] lxsession : Add basic replacement for current autostarted application in autostart conf file: POSTPONED[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] [gilir] lxsession : Add ability to configure screen resolution with external tools : POSTPONED[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] [gilir] lxsession : Add ability to configure keymap + autostart feature + lightdm integration : POSTPONED[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] [gilir] lxpanel : Add sound mixer when clicking on sound applet: DONE[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial]- [jmarsden] ITP Viewnior (see also Debian one [/FONT][/COLOR]http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=582090[COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial]) : BLOCKED[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial]- Switch Viewnior as the default application for image (default-settings): BLOCKED[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial]+ [jmarsden] ITP Viewnior (see also Debian one [/FONT][/COLOR]http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=582090[COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial]) : POSTPONED[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial]+ Switch Viewnior as the default application for image (default-settings): POSTPONED[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] [gilir] New artwork package, not installed by default, but including all themes : DONE[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] [gilir] Evaluate adding a shortcut to desktop for application (see patch from Leszek) : DONE[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] [gilir] Finish the possibility to customize Chromium (patch source + JSOn preference, see bug 570812) : POSTPONED[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] Power Management in the menu : DONE[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] Discuss adding catfish to the seed : POSTPONED[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] Notes during the session :[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] - Lightdm enable by default for Alpha 1[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] - Multi-screen configuration : not easy to configure with lxrandr. Solution : Extend lxsession to accept configuration from other utility like arandr[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] - Lxsession options / services : Add possibility to configure applications by default, and to enable them or not (screensaver, power-management ...)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] - lubuntu-software-center : Add by default, but keep synaptic.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] Feedbacks from forum : [/FONT][/COLOR]http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870442

[COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] Blueprint : [/FONT][/COLOR]https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other- [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] lubuntu-p-users-experience[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] Other items :[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] ITP LXScreenshot (most of the work is done in upstream branch) : TODO[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] DIscuss virtual keyboard (xvkbd ?): TODO[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] Fix definitely the screensaver problem with gnome-mplayer[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] Add a one-place for default applications (see [/FONT][/COLOR]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=56282[COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] , services on lxsession, and [/FONT][/COLOR]http://portland.freedesktop.org/wiki/[COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] (xdg-open, xdg-emails ...))[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] Reach 100 % string available for translation[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] screensaver by default ? => Disable by services, needed for lock screen (use build-in lxsession facility?)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] Documentation improvement : Where are config files for various stuff (keybindings, applications by default)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=arial] Trash on the desktop, with right-click to empty it.[/FONT][/COLOR]As received today and posting it here to share it with the community.

[COLOR=Red]NOTE THAT:[/COLOR] we are few days away from the final official release of Lubuntu 12.04 so if you hare having something in mind, it is TOO LATE now because there is no time to add or change UNLESS it is a BUG and for that, please use Launchpad :)

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReportingBugs

amjjawad said: ...UNLESS it is a BUG and for that, please use Launchpad

Every couple days I try to install lubuntu 12.04 daily build on Thinkpad R31 and get a repeat of my bug 978489 where install gets to copying files and then the ubiquity window disappears. Copying continues in the background but the install won't work since the rest of the setup never completes.

I'll try again today after mailing in income tax. First things first...

Jerry

p.s. this is from Thinkpad T40 lubuntu 12.04 no pae running O.K. There are still Pentium M's in the marketplace.

p.p.s. Running Unity on other pc's. Sure is sluggish booting as ubuntu sets up "pseudo smartphone pseudo ipad" glitsy eye candy.

This is just a question for amjjawad, are there any plans to get Lubuntu added to the test drive application? If not should I file a feature request to get it added?

cariboo907 said: This is just a question for amjjawad, are there any plans to get Lubuntu added to the test drive application? If not should I file a feature request to get it added?

Sorry for the late reply, cariboo907!

I will ask and get back to you :)

amjjawad said:

• Please be informed that Lubuntu 12.04 is NOT going to be a Long Term Support (LTS) Release.

In my book, it looses a point. Bummer!

Thus, I will use Squeeze LXDE. [-(

RJARRRPCGP said: Thus, I will use Squeeze LXDE. [-(

Is Squeeze LXDE an LTS? Must be one of the myriad linux I haven't tried yet?

Jerry

jerrylamos said: Is Squeeze LXDE an LTS? Must be one of the myriad linux I haven't tried yet?

Jerry

It's Debian which is a rolling release:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release#Debian-related

Whereas Ubuntu follows a "fixed" release pattern.

We're based on Debian but we also provide a lot of development support to Debian. You'll often see the same developers names pop up at Launchpad and at Debian's BTS.

jerrylamos said: Is Squeeze LXDE an LTS? Must be one of the myriad linux I haven't tried yet?

Jerry

Debian is 3 years.

It might as well be fracking Sid/Siduction-based. :(

(Because of needing to reinstall after 18 months)

Oh well, I would care less about an LTS version because IMHO, in 1 year, a lot may happen and change so definitely much more will happen or change in 5 years so why would I bother whether it is an LTS version or not?

Specially for Lubuntu/LXDE. It meant to be for OLD machines which will NOT live forever no matter what, period. Above all, Lubuntu 12.04 will be NON-PAE, just like Lubuntu 11.10 so those with NON PAE CPU won't find themselves without Lubuntu. But the Q is, how long we can do that? above all, how many users are actually still using NON PAE CPUs?

Lubuntu Team does care a lot about all the users and if truth to be told, we don't have an actual number of how many users out there who are still using NON-PAE CPUs but we do know for sure there are some so, for them, we did that and I guess Xubuntu did the same with this release (12.04).

I, for one, will do my best to start some polls and surveys to find out more about such information like how many users are still with NON-PAE machines, how many with 128MB RAM, how many with less or more RAM? etc. Such surveys are NEEDED IMHO.

I'm not a developer but being involved with them in few things has changed my mind about many things and enlightened me. It is MUCH more complicated than it looks or seems, trust me :)

Ubuntu 10.04 is an LTS. When I first installed it, I loved it and told myself this is the one that I'm going to stick with all the coming 3 years. Guess what? after few months, I stopped using it and went to Lubuntu and other stuff. I have more than 10 Systems installed on one of my 5 machines because I test, compare, etc etc. What happened to that 3 years sticking with one system? So, my next poll will be: How many will stick with the same system for 5 years? :)

I'm one of those who believe in long term releases. With Ubuntu you get a Testing rather than Sid Debian base which adds to the stability. Most people are not like people on the Linux message boards, most people do not want to change their OS every 6 months to a year. I think the 5 years lts for Ubuntu is the smartest thing they've done in a long time, heck I've still got XP on two computers and it is over a decade? old. I like playing with distros on CDs, virtualbox, and usb sticks, but I don't like messing with systems on my computers that I depend upon, that's why I use LMDE set to Debian Stable on my two main computers, and will be moving my old computer to either Mint 13 or Xubuntu 12.04 to get 3-5 years without having to mess with it. I get so many programs and files I need on my computer, and changing over to a new system is a lot of work. My suggestion for those wanting LXDE for 5 years is to install it onto Mint 13 or Ubuntu 12.04. KBD47

Here is a post made by one of the most active members of Lubuntu Team on the official Lubuntu Group on facebook:

the 'security' and kernel updates side of Lubuntu, Xubuntu etc. etc. are taken care of by the 'main' team. In this case for 5 years. The main attraction for LTS's if for those running Servers who do not want to an End Of Life (EOL) every three years. The majority of desktop users can't wait to get their hands on the 6 monthly releases, which are in any case supported for kernel updates etc. for *18 months*. One of the things that keeps people on their toes with Lubuntu is that we constantly search for low resource applications. Just because the browser is Chromium for 12.04, that does not guarantee its place in 12.10, for example :) There were some mutterings when X-Chat was dropped as a default, but for those who are used to X-Chat, they just go and grab it! The goal of Lubuntu is KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid) ;) I run a full LAMP server on my Lubuntu installation. Because Lubuntu is so lean it means I have more free resources to do other things. I hope that clears up any worries you may have about being left un-loved & un-supported.Same Q about LTS over and over again. This MUST be on the Wiki because, if I'm not mistaken, I've been asked this Q more than 20 times so far :P

amjjawad said: Here is a post made by one of the most active members of Lubuntu Team on the official Lubuntu Group on facebook:

Same Q about LTS over and over again. This MUST be on the Wiki because, if I'm not mistaken, I've been asked this Q more than 20 times so far :P

FUD alert!

The majority of desktop users can't wait to get their hands on the 6 monthly releases, [COLOR="Red"]which are in any case supported for kernel updates etc. for 3 years.[/COLOR]

That statement alone disqualifies everything else said because the non-LTS releases are supported for 18 months, NOT 3 years!

RJARRRPCGP said: Debian is 3 years.

But just saying that is not enough!

If I install the current Debian w/LXDE will it be supported for three years? If I have the updates set properly, then yes ........... and far beyond!

I have a stable Debian release installed and it will switch from Squeeze to Wheezy when the devs believe it's stable enough :D

And the DE packages available in the repos will likely be older (certainly not newer) than those we'd find in the Ubuntu repos!

amjjawad said:

Same Q about LTS over and over again. This MUST be on the Wiki because, if I'm not mistaken, I've been asked this Q more than 20 times so far :P

I don't fault Lubuntu for not being lts, if they don't have the manpower to support it then it can't be helped. But even on the message boards you find a number of people who prefer lts releases for one reason or another. Many people are like my wife and just wanting a working computer that doesn't need to be updated every year or so :-) KBD47

So, my next poll will be: How many will stick with the same system for 5 years?

Thanks for the question.

Five years ago, Borders was a book store.

<snip>

Five years ago, the world wide housing market was in a bubble rising vigorously, about to crash, unknown to one and all.

A lot can happen in five years. Five years ago, who was thinking about booting from USB 3.0? Even two years ago, who could afford a 32 GB USB flash drive (aka thumb drive)?

Today, the costs have dropped, so that a 64 GB flash drive costs less than a 500 GB SATA drive.

As you have properly noted, the incentive to create operating systems capable of supporting miserable hardware, is decreasing.

Those of us who are unable to afford to purchase new gear, ought, nevertheless, be able to buy an inexpensive PCI card for $20 to upgrade to USB 3.0, and buy a 16 GB USB 3.0 flash drive, for less than $12, able to install LXDE, without regard to our internal hard drive. Once up and running, the 0.5 GB memory on our old, obsolete hardware, should suffice to access the internet, skipping the useless, vintage "Swap" step during install.

There can still be a useful role for LXDE to play, but, it ought, in my opinion, focus now on USB 3.0, with concomitant "cloud computing", i.e. with storage on the internet, rather than our old, obsolete hard drives, which in any event, have very limited capacity--mine typically are 40 GB.

In my view, the task ahead, for LXDE, as a niche OS, is to recognize that the future for it, rests with wider adoption of USB 3.0, rather than traditional PATA or SATA disks.

cheers,

CAI ENG

kansasnoob said: It's Debian which is a rolling release:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release#Debian-related

Whereas Ubuntu follows a "fixed" release pattern.

We're based on Debian but we also provide a lot of development support to Debian. You'll often see the same developers names pop up at Launchpad and at Debian's BTS. Actually Squeeze is Debian stable and thus NOT a rolling release.

Debian testing and Sid are both rolling releases.

Debian Squeeze was testing when 10.04 was 10.04-testing and is therefore what 10.04 is based on. It will be supported for one year after Wheezy (current testing and the base for 12.04). Wheezy will probably not meet stability standards set by Debian for release for at least another year so I would say it is safe to count on another 2 years of support for Squeeze.

I use Debian Xfce testing as my production OS and am amazed at the stability of it. Also have Squeeze Gnome on here that I use for my secure business uses.

As it is not a rolling release security is easier to maintain.

kansasnoob said: But just saying that is not enough!

If I install the current Debian w/LXDE will it be supported for three years? If I have the updates set properly, then yes ........... and far beyond!

I have a stable Debian release installed and it will switch from Squeeze to Wheezy when the devs believe it's stable enough :D

And the DE packages available in the repos will likely be older (certainly not newer) than those we'd find in the Ubuntu repos! Debian is not 3 years. Debian does not have a set date for release of any of their stable versions and never has.

They have set rules for stability. This means that all packages have to have no "grave" or "critical" bugs and the core packages have no bugs. This is the reason that Squeeze, expected to have been released in Nov. of 2010 (after being delayed once before that) was not released until February of 2011.

Debian being Gnome based by default means that Wheezy, currently testing, will not be released for a good while. Gnome3 and Gnome Shell are in no way close to meeting Debian stable standards. My Debian testing Xfce installs could just about meet those standards now.

The same is true of my Lxde install.

The only Gnome3 install I have is Sid and about a month ahead of testing but it is still rough (by Debian standards anyway). Works OK but GS screws a lot of extensions on just about every upgrade it seems.

Still think Wheezy will make it in about a year.

That means that assuming it is the end of 2013 that it is released as stable that Squeeze will be supported till the end of 2014. From the start of 2011 to the end of 2014 is about 4 years of support. And that is assuming that the Gnome Project gets Gnome3 up to snuff in the next 12 months. Kind of iffy but I am hopeful.

caieng said: There can still be a useful role for LXDE to play, but, it ought, in my opinion, focus now on USB 3.0, with concomitant "cloud computing", i.e. with storage on the internet, rather than our old, obsolete hard drives, which in any event, have very limited capacity--mine typically are 40 GB.

In my view, the task ahead, for LXDE, as a niche OS, is to recognize that the future for it, rests with wider adoption of USB 3.0, rather than traditional PATA or SATA disks. Honestly, I have to disagree. I see no future in cloud computing except as a way for corporations to keep workers and customers trapped. Imagine, if you will, being told that changing ISP will cost you all your internet history, data, app subscriptions, and all that? Its not that unreasonable, and most businesses are probably waiting for their governments to become too small to stop them.

IMO, LXDE and Ubuntu as a whole need to reject the trap that is cloud computing, and stick to traditional storage devices. After all, your data is your data when its on a hard drive, but in the cloud things are a lot more nebulous. What's to stop a cloud provider from dropping a clause into a TOS that says, "Its your data until we can make a profit off it, then it becomes OUR data, and we might not even give you a cut"?

Actually I'm always running ubuntu unstable development releases from when they will barely run up to when the next unstable development release will boot. So LTS doesn't mean much for me, except LTS releases are usually clean-ups and not much new function.

I do keep relatively stable release partitions around for recovery work - often! - lately lynx or meerkat or ocelot. Not any use for narwhal lately.

Of the hord of ubuntu's around I run unity-2D and lubuntu, occasionally trying the others.

I have run tiny core, puppy, debian (live, installed), slitaz, slax, suzy, fedora, bodhi, Knoppix, mint, and I forget what all else. Tiny core is really neat since it will run from a folder on a ubuntu, no separate partition required, however installing applications is a bear for me example flash on midora.

I rather do like lubuntu and hope it will continue.

Hands down I prefer the ubuntu forums.

Jerry

jerrylamos said:

I rather do like lubuntu and hope it will continue.

Same here.

FYI, interestingly, it looks like Gnome 2 distros can get far longer lifecycles. (At least Cent OS followed by Debian)

I thought Gnome 2x was dead! Unless RedHat and Debian go to Mate.

RJARRRPCGP said: Same here.

FYI, interestingly, it looks like Gnome 2 distros can get far longer lifecycles. (At least Cent OS followed by Debian)

I thought Gnome 2x was dead! Unless RedHat and Debian go to Mate. So far, Debian seems pretty well on the way to Gnome3 and GS on Wheezy.

Mate is in the repo for Wheezy, though, and Sid.

Should think it will end up in a repo for Ubuntu eventually.

MATE is pretty much mature now and should be available for just about any operating system. My understanding of Debian is that it aims for a Stable release every two years. Last released Feb. 2011 which means sometime around Feb 2013 for the next Stable. Wheezy goes into Freeze this June in preparation for Stable status. Each Stable release gets 3 years of support so the current Stable--Squeeze--has a bit less than two more years support. KBD47

kansasnoob said: FUD alert!

That statement alone disqualifies everything else said because the non-LTS releases are supported for 18 months, NOT 3 years!

I think Phill was talking about the previous LTS not the new one. The previous was 3 years while the new one is 5 years. I'm sure he is very much aware it's 18 months unless he's so busy with his course and he forgot that which I still doubt :)

amjjawad said: I think Phill was talking about the previous LTS not the new one. The previous was 3 years while the new one is 5 years. I'm sure he is very much aware it's 18 months unless he's so busy with his course and he forgot that which I still doubt :)

But it says explicitly:

The majority of desktop users can't wait to get their hands on the 6 monthly releases, which are in any case supported for kernel updates etc. for 3 years.

The standard non-LTS releases are supported for only 18 months regardless of DE ;)

kansasnoob said: FUD alert!

That statement alone disqualifies everything else said because the non-LTS releases are supported for 18 months, NOT 3 years!

Soz, kansaas, my bad! Brain is little haggered. I'll ask Ali to correct it. It should have read 3 releases!

Regards,

Phill.

phillw said: Soz, kansaas, my bad! Brain is little haggered. I'll ask Ali to correct it. It should have read 3 releases!

Regards,

Phill.

Dude, no apology needed. We are and always have been cool :D

I sometimes type things that are inaccurate - until several days ago I thought Xubuntu 12.04 was a 5 year LTS but it's only a 3 year LTS.

That said I've often wondered how secure Ubuntu itself is if one chooses to use any alternate DE available in the repos :confused:

Just for instance either 'gnome' or 'gnome-desktop-environment' are available in the repos, as are 'lxde' and 'xfce4' - and you can of course always cook your own DE:

http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/minimal

So, if we have 'ubuntu-minimal' installed how long is any DE available from the repos (NOT a PPA) supported security-wise :confused:

I once brought that up shortly after Ubuntu introduced 'notify-osd' and got shouted down by someone from QA :(

So, back to Lubuntu only; if someone (like a Pentium M user) wants an LTS, and manages to install Ubuntu 12.04, could they then install 'lubuntu-desktop' and feel SECURE!

We know they'd not get new packages that provide new and improved features, but how about security?

What about the meta-package 'lxde'? It's there, what if someone finds the Ubuntu DE to be just a bit too "heavy" for their hardware? If they install any DE from the repos can they depend on it being secure?

I'm honestly clueless.

kansasnoob said: But it says explicitly:

The majority of desktop users can't wait to get their hands on the 6 monthly releases, which are in any case supported for kernel updates etc. for 3 years.

The standard non-LTS releases are supported for only 18 months regardless of DE ;)

My apology too, I didn't pay much attention :) Sometimes, your eyes can fool you and read something while there is something else in your mind. It always happens to me :)

I corrected it :)

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Welcome_to_the_Lubuntu_Desktop_project

Please note that 12.04 will not be an LTS (5 year support), but a 'standard' release, supported for 18 months. This is simply due the fact there is insufficient 'man-power' to commit to 5 years of support.

For the last 6 months, I've seen this Q almost everyday and was discussing that almost every day too. It might be too late to add that but never too late.

Usually, an information like that (Lubuntu 12.04 is not an LTS release) will be mentioned on the release notes (which usually few only read that actually - sad but true) but we thought it's also important to include that on the Wiki.

amjjawad said: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Welcome_to_the_Lubuntu_Desktop_project

For the last 6 months, I've seen this Q almost everyday and was discussing that almost every day too. It might be too late to add that but never too late.

Usually, an information like that (Lubuntu 12.04 is not an LTS release) will be mentioned on the release notes (which usually few only read that actually - sad but true) but we thought it's also important to include that on the Wiki.

I'd seen that and it's what I based things on here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1959675

Sorry if this doesn't belong in this thread, but will there be Lubuntu 12.04 CD's released similar to the Ubuntu ones in the Canonical Store?

I just installed the LXDE desktop in Ubuntu 12.04. My first reaction was 'Interesting', Fast and BLECH! When AWN or Cairo popped up they looked awful - no compositing. I don't mind the lack of compositing in LXDE (since the pure experience is good too), but how does one enable compositing (should one want to)? In the meantime, I won't be using any apps that prefer compositing.

I installed LXDE too on my Beta 2 Ubuntu install, and whenever I try to open Lubuntu Software Centre it crashes and refuses to start. Also happened on a Virtual Box running the Lubuntu Beta 2. Anybody else had this problem?

Lubuntu 12.04 Final Release is only few hours away so hold your breathes :D

For those who already have Lubuntu 12.04 (Beta or RC) installed, please note that you don't really have to re-download the ISO, you could just upgrade your system:

 sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade

Don't forget to reboot after that :)

Thank you for choosing and using Lubuntu!

amjjawad said: Lubuntu 12.04 Final Release is only few hours away so hold your breathes :D

For those who already have Lubuntu 12.04 (Beta or RC) installed, please note that you don't really have to re-download the ISO, you could just upgrade your system:

 sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade

Thank you for choosing and using Lubuntu!

Did that yesterday to beat the download nightmare of release day mania.:)

Thanks to all for all their hard work.

Just installed Lubuntu 11.10 on this Thinkpad R31. 12.04 Lubuntu, Xubuntu, Ubuntu won't install, ubiquity windown disappears in copy step. Bugs written. No action.

Don't know if I'll try to leapfrog into Quetzal with sources.list or just let it go at that.

Jerry

Downloaded the new Lubuntu 12.04, it booted up fine, but the desktop completely froze twice when I plugged in a usb stick, had to completely shutdown. Never had this problem before with Lubuntu :(

I went ahead and installed LXDE on top of Ubuntu 12.04 and it is running well. Here are some things I added to LXDE to tweak it the way I wanted it: notification-daemon indicator-weather xfce4-power-manager psensor xfce4-volumed and I made sure everything I needed in the panel was checked in the desktop-session especially the volume button. http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh521/kbd47/Screenshot2from2012-04-26191740.png