How many of you would like to see support for 10.04 extended for 3 or more years longer. If users could convince MS to extend support for XP, why shouldn't 10.04 users have the same input?
To vote no just vote What's 10.04.
POLL: Extend Support for 10.04LTS
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I can't vote any of these. I used 10.04 once, so I know it's there and what it is, but I *_do not_* want to extend the support.
lucradia said: i can't vote any of these. I used 10.04 once, so i know it's there and what it is, but i *_do not_* want to extend the support.
+1
12.04 and a great Desktop that will be their flagship for 5 years is what they need to focus on now.
It works flawlessly keep it around:popcorn:
If you're worried about Unity, you can very easily install Gnome Classic mode and have a familiar 2 panel interface. There is no need to extend the life of Lucid.
XP support was extended not because of consumers but because of the underwhelming amount of companies that purchased Vista for enterprise use.
If you want a Linux distro for super extended life and stability, use Debian. In my world I rather have Cutting Edge than Cutting Room Floor, 10.04 should just die a natural death.
Personally I'd rather they made 11.04 the extended LTS. Natty works much better than lucid on my machines.
Your poll has no option for "no" therefore I did not vote. :) Ubuntu 10.04 will always be around and you can use it for 20 years if you want to. It's a question of manpower; if you are trying to run a company, do you want your developers spending their valuable time making minor improvements to a 5-year-old release, or working on projects that benefit the distro going forward (like fixing the Unity debacle)?
The next LTS is going to have an extended life on the desktop, but I don't see any reason to retrospectively apply that to 10.04. The upgrade path from 10.04 is straight to 12.04, and then you're good for five years, and with more up-to-date packages.
cariboo907 said: If you're worried about Unity, you can very easily install Gnome Classic mode and have a familiar 2 panel interface. There is no need to extend the life of Lucid.
It' s not the same. Is similar, but not the same. If someone want the same with *gnome-classic*, the only way is to install and use Mate. *Unity* and *Gnome3* is the reason where many old users go away from *Ubuntu*. :| It is better left to a longer time support on Lucid, for the above reason.
What kind of a poll is that? Why is there no option for "don't extend support". And then the lowest option is +3 years. Some modern machines already don't work with 10.04 and in another 5 years you would be hard pressed to find compatible hardware.
This is like giving a poll in the movies with the options: a) Avatar is the best movie of all times. b) Avatar is one of the best movies of all times.
In a recent poll people unanimously agree that Avatar is one of the best movies of all times, if not even the best movie of all times.
Lucradia said: I can't vote any of these. I used 10.04 once, so I know it's there and what it is, but I *_do not_* want to extend the support.
++
Gnome 2 is dead, move on people.
Avatar should be extended for at least 2 more hours.
Paqman said: The next LTS is going to have an extended life on the desktop, but I don't see any reason to retrospectively apply that to 10.04. The upgrade path from 10.04 is straight to 12.04, and then you're good for five years, and with more up-to-date packages.
You still have a further 18 months support for Lucid from this date. When 12.04 is released next April you will still have 12 months of support left for Lucid.
If you want to continue to use Gnome 2 desktop move over to XFCE which is very similar to Gnome 2.
snowpine said: Avatar should be extended for at least 2 more hours.
Are they going to fix the bugs with the plot or is this only security patches making sure you can't get out of the cinema?
I have tried every release for the last three years (starting with 9.04) on my test laptop (IBM Thinkpad T42 with 512 MB memory). Of the versions I have tried, 10.04 LTS has run best on it. I did add 11.04 as a second version in parallel, upgraded to 11.10, so I could give things a comparison. I plan to upgrade the 11.10 to 12.04 on it. Unity has not been great on it but it does run. As far as desktops, I prefer the Gnome desktop that came with 10.04 LTS. I would love to hear the 10.04 LTS support has been extended beyond next year. I voted for the 3 year extension, making it 5 years of support, same as what 12.04 LTS will have.
wgarmil said: I have tried every release for the last three years (starting with 9.04) on my test laptop (IBM Thinkpad T42 with 512 MB memory). Of the versions I have tried, 10.04 LTS has run best on it.
Hello wgarmil
well, you have another year!!
If you can't find anything within the Ubuntu world that works on your T42 within that time, then try CentOS 5.7 after the year is up. I'd suggest you look at Xubuntu 12.04 first. Xubuntu is really nice.
Centos 6.x won't run on the thinkpad because it has a Centrino processor that does not support PAE extensions.
I had a T42 some time ago.
BrokenKingpin said: ++
Gnome 2 is dead, move on people.
Mate 1.2 is showing signs of life.
I wasn't very impressed with 10.04 back in 2010, but with 10.4.4 back in February of 2012, I finally thought it was an optimal OS for older hardware. Gnome 2.32 is a lightweight desktop in comparison to Unity or Gnome 3.x, and is a lot more useful than XFCE and LXDE. Where does this leave current 10.04 users in April of next year? Judging by the outstanding characteristics of LMDE with Mate 1.2, I might suggest a custom installation of the upcoming Debian 7.0 stable with Mate. Unity is a fine solution for powerful hardware, and while it uses fewer system resources than Windows 7 or 8, it's not a lightweight solution for older hardware, even with Unity 2D, which has improved somewhat, or the deceptively named Gnome Classic/gnome-panel. Use 10.04 until the end of support, but be aware than the end is in sight.
kaldor said: 12.04 and a great Desktop that will be their flagship for 5 years is what they need to focus on now.
Exactly. 100% spot on.
As far as the poll, why isn't there a "NO" option. Didn't vote because of that.
I closed the poll, as it is rather useless, now that Precise will be supported for 5 years.
cariboo907 said: I closed the poll, as it is rather useless, ...
Yea for real.. Woot!! :guitar:
I've used Ubuntu since Hoary Hedgehog (5.04), but since 10.04, it's just been one WTF moment after another and a progressive feeling of alienation.
This is such a pity as no other distro works as reliably in terms of supported software, hardware compatibility or stability. What a waste :-[
eggdeng said: I've used Ubuntu since Hoary Hedgehog (5.04), but since 10.04, it's just been one WTF moment after another and a progressive feeling of alienation.
This is such a pity as no other distro works as reliably in terms of supported software, hardware compatibility or stability. What a waste :-[
I completely agree. Ubuntu has been home since dapper (6.06). I have installed newer releases in virtualbox and on machines for friends and family and they're not happy either.
I understand the vision of wanting ubuntu to be the same across all devices (PCs/tablets/smartphones). But it's not working for many of us.
Gnome classic, MATE, cinnamon etc all have problems. They either lack basic functionality or are flaky or the user-interface is counter-intuitive.
I'm hanging on to 10.04 while waiting for the silent majority to speak up.
10.04...
Wow. What a system. I remember to have it tweaked as much as possible and yet it was more usable than ever. Memories <3 :D
I think that I never was more efficient to my work... The smoothness etc etc...
Too bad (?) I am (or try to be?) an Ubuntu developer and I have to keep up with the new releases so as to test my software :(
If that wasn't the point, then yes, I would vote to an extended support!
zoubidoo said:
I'm hanging on to 10.04 while waiting for the silent majority to speak up.
There is no silent majority just wishful thinking;)
zoubidoo said:
I'm hanging on to 10.04 while waiting for the silent majority to speak up.
KiwiNZ said: There is no silent majority just wishful thinking;)
Silent majority? If there's a silent majority, I reckon it's more likely to be the people who are using Unity quite happily.
I for one hope Ubuntu sticks to its new direction and improves on it greatly. I'd hate to see a return to Gnome 2. And to me if you want that type of thing on Ubuntu, well there are a ton of options available to you, so there's no loss. There's something for every type of user.
I loved my gnome2. RIP
BigSilly said: Silent majority? If there's a silent majority, I reckon it's more likely to be the people who are using Unity quite happily.
I for one hope Ubuntu sticks to its new direction and improves on it greatly. I'd hate to see a return to Gnome 2. And to me if you want that type of thing on Ubuntu, well there are a ton of options available to you, so there's no loss. There's something for every type of user.
+100.
Lucid had a great run, my 1st WOW Ubuntu moment; EOL is next April.
Come on guys, Gnome 2 is ancient; there are myriad alternatives to those who prefer Gnome 2 over Gnome 3. FYI...I still have Lucid installed, and get frustrated within 3 minutes, having to cycle through menus:P
I'm looking forward to the future...Gnome 3.6 runs buttery smooth on my PC, and Gnome 2.3?? is a great indicator of what was vs what is and what will be.
I hope you guys aint hanging on to Celeron-M CPU's with 512 MB of RAM, expecting to run latest, greatest software:guitar:
Happy Holidays.
Gnome 3 has matured and is fast, stable, and easy to use. (Running it as my default DE on Debian Wheezy)
Install MATE. Problem solved.
I loved Gnome2 on 10.04, it was such a great distro, i installed it on many friends and family PCs, which they got alot of great use out of it as well, never once did i hear a complaint. I stuck with Gnome2.32 for as long as i could (with natty, very stable distro for me as well) but realised there were other ways to get the basic desktop appearance i wanted.
10.04 is old folks, and its not because of the DE.. 12.04LTS is vastly improved, with its support for hardware, and general underlying OS. Software is lightyears ahead in comparison to 10.04 and the general spec requirement is still about the same, GPU requirements are abit more with unity though.. So what?; as others have mentioned use MATE or XFCE, Cinnamon?. Or if you have the specs, do like i did, KDE :)
ibjsb4 said: I loved my gnome2. RIP
Yup and old as dirt KDE 3.ohhhh,it was wonderful. I miss Karmak and the 3d buttons. *sigh*
Well I can't really find an option for the poll. I do know what 10.04 is but I think it has had its time. Let it die next April. The world has moved on. most software available to 10.04 are ancient (even ppas don't provide the latest, or just reasonably new versions because libraries etc are outdated) 3 years represent a lot of development in the Linux and open source world. I will not keep 12.04 for more than 18 months.
Edited: drivers and hardware support in 12.04 are miles ahead of 10.04. I remember I used to get really glitchy graphics with nouveau in 10.04 and the desktop was unusable without installing the Nvidia blob, but with 12.04 it is so smooth that I can pretty much use it even for 1080 videos. Whether I use the blob is not the issue here, but it represents a lot of progress and hard work. Printers, webcam and so on works out of the box with 12.04 but with 10.04 it used to take some tinkering.
BigSilly said: Silent majority? If there's a silent majority, I reckon it's more likely to be the people who are using Unity quite happily.
I for one hope Ubuntu sticks to its new direction and improves on it greatly. I'd hate to see a return to Gnome 2. And to me if you want that type of thing on Ubuntu, well there are a ton of options available to you, so there's no loss. There's something for every type of user.
Can't agree more.
This is my first computer. It had Xubuntu 10.04 on it when I "inherited" it. I had explored other Linux distros on this same computer with it's former owner, who was a wonderful Linux tutor and an awesome, inspiring dancer. But Xubuntu was my favorite because it's easiest and quickest of all to install, configure, and use.
I'm up to 12.04 now and have no plans to change it until it reaches end of life, assuming this old computer lasts that long. I love the long term support option and am happy not to have to upgrade twice a year. Lucid was awesome and even though I'm enjoying Pangolin just as much, I hate to see an awesome release go away.
No Because there is a new lts? If you are so worried go use Debian stable.
mamamia88 said: No Because there is a new lts? If you are so worried go use Debian stable.
If someone is having a hard time figuring out how to install another DE, they certainly won't be abler to figure out how to install Debian.
mamamia88 said: No Because there is a new lts? If you are so worried go use Debian stable.
Debian Stable is only going to be supported for a few months longer than 10.04, and a lot less than 12.04.
snowpine said: Debian Stable is only going to be supported for a few months longer than 10.04, and a lot less than 12.04.
That depends how optimistic you are about wheezy's release date :D
lykwydchykyn said: That depends how optimistic you are about wheezy's release date :D
I've been using wheezy for a couple of months already, so sometimes I forget it's not stable release yet. ;)
snowpine said: Debian Stable is only going to be supported for a few months longer than 10.04, and a lot less than 12.04.
then move on too the next release. i understand that you don't like unity. but there are a million other options one click away. or you could use another distro. if you don't like change then debian is the way to go. they will test everything to death before they deem it stable.
People who are using 10.04 *are* using Debian Stable, in a sense, aren't they? The LTS releases are built from Debian Testing, and Debian Squeeze was Testing at that time - so now, in a sense, 10.04 users are using Debian Stable, right?
12.04 was built from Debian Testing (Wheezy at the time), and when Wheezy is released as Debian Stable, 12.04 users will be - in a sense - "using Debian Stable." Isn't that right or have I totally misunderstood how it works?
I would have voted no, if there were such an option. Thanks for closing the poll, a poll without a chance to say no is worthless.
I don't see why there should be more than one lts.
mamamia88 said: then move on too the next release. i understand that you don't like unity. but there are a million other options one click away. or you could use another distro. if you don't like change then debian is the way to go. they will test everything to death before they deem it stable.
Please don't put words in my mouth. I love Unity, I like change, and I use whichever distro is best for the job. You have completely misunderstood my post.
Peripheral Visionary said: People who are using 10.04 *are* using Debian Stable, in a sense, aren't they? The LTS releases are built from Debian Testing, and Debian Squeeze was Testing at that time - so now, in a sense, 10.04 users are using Debian Stable, right?
12.04 was built from Debian Testing (Wheezy at the time), and when Wheezy is released as Debian Stable, 12.04 users will be - in a sense - "using Debian Stable." Isn't that right or have I totally misunderstood how it works?
That's not even close to accurate. 10.04 was released April 2010 and Debian Squeeze was released Feb. 2011, so Squeeze had 10 months more testing than Ubuntu 10.04. Likewise if Wheezy is released in Feb. 2013 (just a guess) it will have had 10 months additional testing compared with Ubuntu 12.04. 10 months of testing makes a big difference! (Ubuntu makes a release and two-thirds in that amount of time :))
vagrale13 said: It' s not the same. Is similar, but not the same.
If someone want the same with *gnome-classic*, the only way is to install and use Mate. *Unity* and *Gnome3* is the reason where many old users go away from *Ubuntu*. :| It is better left to a longer time support on Lucid, for the above reason.
It's also a reason people flock to it.
The part that is missing is that Canonical doesn't have any interest in maintaining and updating Gnome 2, and the Gnome team doesn't either.
So unless someone else picks up that flag, go get Mate or something else that is similar.
Okay, I need to pay better attention to what I read. Thanks for clarifying this for me.
It would be nice to see this version extended.
I myself would like to extend the 10.04 support maybe one more year. I have three machines that have been moved from 10.04 to 12.04 and then back to 10.04. Two of the machines had the random logoff issue in 12.04 with Nvidia graphics cards. The other is a netbook that was much slower (for OS actions and starting programs) and had issues with file system (crashes during file copies/moves) such that 12.04 had to be forcibly restarted. None of these issues occur in 10.04. Yes I like new things and I like the unity interface (I also use a Mac which is similar) but the stability is not there yet. Maybe in another year.
I really don't get why so many people are so ticked off. I'm using Linux Mint 13 with MATE, and it *is* GNOME 2. I currently have it looking almost exactly like Ubuntu 10.04, and the only way to tell the difference is the little Mint Update icon. It's super-fast, and it does everything Gnome 2 did. (Far as I can tell. I'd be curious to know what it's lacking)
I like Gnome Shell, and I like Unity. Problem is, I have an old NVIDIA card, and Gnome 3 desktops don't play well with the proprietary driver. Seriously, there are a ton of desktop options. Including one that is almost exactly the same thing as Gnome 2.
chrnoble said: I really don't get why so many people are so ticked off. I'm using Linux Mint 13 with MATE, and it *is* GNOME 2. I currently have it looking almost exactly like Ubuntu 10.04, and the only way to tell the difference is the little Mint Update icon. It's super-fast, and it does everything Gnome 2 did. (Far as I can tell. I'd be curious to know what it's lacking)
I like Gnome Shell, and I like Unity. Problem is, I have an old NVIDIA card, and Gnome 3 desktops don't play well with the proprietary driver. Seriously, there are a ton of desktop options. Including one that is almost exactly the same thing as Gnome 2.
If you look at the start date of this thread, it was shortly after 11.10 was released. We are testing a third version since it was started, and both Unity and Gnome-shell have improved greatly since then.
I don't understand why the which version is better argument tends towards which DE they use?
If you still think your stuck with the DE that is given with the OS your in the wrong place.
Edit: just read the post above :( did NOT look at start date :P
chrnoble said: It's super-fast, and it does everything Gnome 2 did.
But jDownloader is buggy.
5 years
Please continue support for 10.04 LTS. I have used 12.04 with Gnome 3 on my work laptop for almost a Year and still get more work done at home on my 10.04 machine with Compiz. Unity was a big change to Ubuntu. If 12.04 was clearly better in every way then there would be no problem, for those of us that just want to get the work done but happy to give 20% of our time for the next version. Can we make sure the new boat is pumped up enough to carry all the passengers before sinking the old one ?
Support for lucid on the desktop is now dead. That ship has sailed.
leongoogs said: Please continue support for 10.04 LTS. I have used 12.04 with Gnome 3 on my work laptop for almost a Year and still get more work done at home on my 10.04 machine with Compiz. Unity was a big change to Ubuntu. If 12.04 was clearly better in every way then there would be no problem, for those of us that just want to get the work done but happy to give 20% of our time for the next version. Can we make sure the new boat is pumped up enough to carry all the passengers before sinking the old one ?
No problem, I'll get right on that. ;)
snowpine said: No problem, I'll get right on that. ;)
No hurry. Take all the time you need.
Now that 10.04 is almost a month past EOL, I think this thread can be safely closed.